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For all of those that are getting so worked up and flustered about this, should the government be forcing the company that makes Swiss Army knives to make them with the knife?
If it's a private company making this decision based on what they think the market is calling for in certain locations, what exactly is it that you want done as the solution?
I don't think anyone is blaming the company, just complaining about stupid laws that would make them have to do this. A knife is one of the most useful tools on the planet.
I don't think anyone is blaming the company, just complaining about stupid laws that would make them have to do this. A knife is one of the most useful tools on the planet.
They don't "have to" do this. They are still going to be making the one with the knife, as stated in the article. They are adding the one without the knife to open new markets for sales in Asia and the UK, where they have strict laws around knives. I don't see anything controversial about a company trying to expand into new markets, and creating a product that will probably do well in those markets.
They don't "have to" do this. They are still going to be making the one with the knife, as stated in the article. They are adding the one without the knife to open new markets for sales in Asia and the UK, where they have strict laws around knives. I don't see anything controversial about a company trying to expand into new markets, and creating a product that will probably do well in those markets.
UK Knife Law in a public place -
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Originally Posted by UK Knife Laws - Knives and Tools
UK knife law allows you to carry non-locking pocket knives with a blade length up to 3 inches (7.62 cm) without any need for a valid reason.
You are allowed to carry a knife which exceeds these guidelines in public, but please remember: you will do need a good reason to carry it. Gov.uk has the following to say on good reasons to carry a knife:
'Examples of good reasons to carry a knife in public can include:
* taking knives you use at work to and from work
* taking knives to a gallery or museum to be exhibited
* the knife is going to be used for theatre, film, television, historical re-enactment or religious purposes, eg the kirpan some Sikhs carry
A court will decide if you’ve got a good reason to carry a knife if you’re charged with carrying it illegally.'
Swiss Army knives come in various sizes including 3 inches or less with a manual folding mechanism, they are therefore not illegal in the UK and there are no plans to ban 3 inch pocket knives in a public place.
Furthermore if you have a valid reason you can carry a much longer knife on you in a public place, and this may be as part of your profession such as a tradesman, gardener, butcher, farmer, gamekeeper or other rural professions or pursuits such as shooting and hunting, culling or pest control and other such activities.
A public place where members of the public have unfettered access being very different to your own property that is private and belongs to you or land that is private and does not have public access such as a farm or business or even your home and garden (yard).
The main purpose of knife legislation is to stop a small minority of individuals from carrying knives in order to prevent them from committing criminal activities, and the police generally target and take action against these type of individuals.
The same is true of firearms, and you can own a firearm for sporting, hunting and activities related to a profession such as farming, game keeping, hunting and shooting etc, although there are two main licences one for shotguns and one for rifles, whilst in terms of deer and mammal culling there are further specialist licences, and knives and guns are not banned, however there are some restrictions in relation to carrying certain types in certain areas, as well as buying and selling such articles.
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Swiss Army knives come in various sizes including 3 inches or less with a manual folding mechanism, they are therefore not illegal in the UK and there are no plans to ban 3 inch pocket knives in a public place.
Furthermore if you have a valid reason you can carry a much longer knife on you in a public place, and this may be as part of your profession such as a tradesman, gardener, butcher, farmer, gamekeeper or other rural professions or pursuits such as shooting and hunting, culling or pest control and other such activities.
A public place where members of the public have unfettered access being very different to your own property that is private and belongs to you or land that is private and does not have public access such as a farm or business or even your home and garden (yard).
The main purpose of knife legislation is to stop a small minority of individuals from carrying knives in order to prevent them from committing criminal activities, and the police generally target and take action against these type of individuals.
The same is true of firearms, and you can own a firearm for sporting, hunting and activities related to a profession such as farming, game keeping, hunting and shooting etc, although there are two main licences one for shotguns and one for rifles, whilst in terms of deer and mammal culling there are further specialist licences, and knives and guns are not banned, however there are some restrictions in relation to carrying certain types in certain areas, as well as buying and selling such articles.
It’s not just UK the article also said Asian countries. Japan for example bans the import of folding knives longer than 5cm, which is less than 2 inches. South Korea requires a permit for folding knives. Thailand bans them altogether. Their marketing department obviously thinks a bladeless tool will increase their sales, or they wouldn’t be doing it.
They don't "have to" do this. They are still going to be making the one with the knife, as stated in the article. They are adding the one without the knife to open new markets for sales in Asia and the UK, where they have strict laws around knives. I don't see anything controversial about a company trying to expand into new markets, and creating a product that will probably do well in those markets.
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Originally Posted by Pilot1
I don't think anyone is blaming the company, just complaining about stupid laws that would make them have to do this. A knife is one of the most useful tools on the planet.
I agree with ocnjgirl on this, and besides, it doesn't affect anyone in the US as they can still buy the Swiss Army knife that they have grown accustomed to. People in the UK can protest this if it's that big of a deal to them.
The irony here is that criminals, in areas where it is harder to get guns are using knives. Not only that, they are typically younger and more physically capable than older people and women.
So, they've been using knives which must now be regulated.
Hey, how about oh....throwing scumbags in prison? Allowing citizens to defend themselves? *sigh*
Now the US *clearly* has a mental health issue. But we don't address root causes...we blame guns. When you stop and understand why....you see reality.
The rulers of the world want the peasants to be completely helpless when it's time to execute order 66.
It’s not just UK the article also said Asian countries. Japan for example bans the import of folding knives longer than 5cm, which is less than 2 inches. South Korea requires a permit for folding knives. Thailand bans them altogether. Their marketing department obviously thinks a bladeless tool will increase their sales, or they wouldn’t be doing it.
Which would be fine if the importation of knives were banned in the UK however this is not the case.
It us however illegal to import certain other offensive weapons as laid out in legislation such as the Offensive Weapons Act 1996, and the law is different in terms of offensive weapons however folding knives with blades of 3 inches or less are not deemed offensive weapons, unless it can be proved that they are to be used as an offensive weapon or are believed to be going to be used in the carrying out of a criminal act (going equipped).
Generally most peaceful law abiding citizens, and more especially those who use knives in the course of their work or everyday activities/pursuits can do so without much interference even when in public, and certainly when on private land or property.
As far as I am aware there are no plans to change the law in relation to small folding lives of 3 inches or less, however the law is to be tightened in relation to add further offensive weapons including Machetes and Zombie knives, and may also include further consultation and possible future legislation in relation to swords, following a recent sword attack.
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Originally Posted by BASC
Importing a knife from abroad is not an offence nor does it require prior import licensing. You may order knives (folding or fixed blade) from abroad so long as they are not offensive weapons.
Anybody who “sells or hires or offers for sale or hire, exposes or has in his possession for the purpose of sale or hire, or lends or gives to any other person”, an offensive weapon shall be guilty of an offence.
A list of items declared as offensive weapons by the Offensive Weapons Act 1996 may be found at the end of this page.
Tools can be used as weapons. Almost anything can be turned into a weapon. Sticks and rocks were the first weapon. That does not mean you can ban them.
A business can make its own decision about how to run itself and manufacture its products. Consumers can make their own decision on weather they buy it or not.
Which would be fine if the importation of knives were banned in the UK however this is not the case.
It us however illegal to import certain other offensive weapons as laid out in legislation such as the Offensive Weapons Act 1996, and the law is different in terms of offensive weapons however folding knives with blades of 3 inches or less are not deemed offensive weapons, unless it can be proved that they are to be used as an offensive weapon or are believed to be going to be used in the carrying out of a criminal act (going equipped).
Generally most peaceful law abiding citizens, and more especially those who use knives in the course of their work or everyday activities/pursuits can do so without much interference even when in public, and certainly when on private land or property.
As far as I am aware there are no plans to change the law in relation to small folding lives of 3 inches or less, however the law is to be tightened in relation to add further offensive weapons including Machetes and Zombie knives, and may also include further consultation and possible future legislation in relation to swords, following a recent sword attack.
Again, it is not just UK. We are in a global world, yet somehow everything feels personal to us. It is quite obvious that they must feel there is a market for this model, or they would not be making it.
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