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Old 08-23-2013, 01:56 PM
 
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What kind of logic is that?
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Old 08-23-2013, 02:03 PM
 
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What kind of logic is that?
Who are you talking to here?
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Old 08-23-2013, 02:42 PM
 
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Seems to me that the people who think abortion is killing babies should think that any other time the baby dies in the womb, the mom should be charged with involuntary manslaughter. I mean miscarriage due to the mom drinking, doing drugs, competing in boxing matches, etc. Is it possible for the mom to screw up so much that she's found negligent?

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Even medical professionals and logicians can conclude abortions are intentional killings of a developing human life. Here... look at the nice picture of the developmental stages of human life in the life sciences. Human life does not magically appear out of no where.

Human development (biology) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Human development is the process of growing to maturity. In biological terms, this entails growth from a one-celled zygote to an adult human being.
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The human life cycle begins at fertilization, when an egg cell inside a woman and a sperm cell from a man fuse to form a one-celled zygote . Over the next few days, the single, large cell divides many times to form a hollow ball of smaller cells. On the sixth day after fertilization, this hollow ball burrows into the wall of the mother's uterus, or womb. The cells then form three layers that fold and bend into the more complex shape of an early embryo. Gradually, the cells begin to become different from one another, forming, for example, the nervous system and the circulatory system.


No, baby's don't come from storks.



Human life only occurs at fertilization for liberals when it deals with the genetic heritability of homosexuality and the theory of evolution. Then a human genome exists and when can ascertain human life by its genome and genetic character.



So, yeah, a pregnant woman can kill her unborn child by drinking too much alcohol, taking drugs, or boxing in boxing matches. Fetal alcohol syndrome is real too. However, that might confuse those adults adamant human life magically appears out of nowhere, and can't result prior to birth. If that were so... fetal alcohol syndrome and crack babies should be an oxymoron as human life can't begin until birth from the womb.


Crack Babies: A Tale From the Drug Wars - Retro Report - YouTube
Fetal Alcohol Syndrome -- The Biological Basis / FAS FASD Video - YouTube
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Old 08-23-2013, 02:50 PM
 
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Bravo for your last post, Supine! Awesome job!
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Old 08-23-2013, 02:54 PM
 
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A person can already be charged with murder for killing an unborn child. If that life was not human life than you shouldn't be charged with murdering another human. But courts and laws do.

Man Will be Charged With Killing Woman's Unborn Twins | LifeNews.com

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North Carolina District Attorney Ernie Lee will be refiling murder charges against Gregory R. Chapman, who allegedly shot a pregnant woman, causing her to miscarry twins.

Lisa Wallace was shot in the stomach. Her twins were born in a hospital, but died soon after birth.
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The babies were killed in 2008, three years before the passage of the 2011 Unborn Victims of Violence Act. A judge dismissed the double murder charge, claiming that fetuses were not considered viable, and that therefore the law at the time did not consider them victims of the crime.
The guy in Cleveland that kept those 3 women captive, was charged with murdering his unborn child by beating one of the women (he impregnated) in her stomach.

What would be more honest with today's politics is if they would just come out and say directly, "Science will not be considered science until it passes through the consensus of feminists, LGBTs, and other liberals."
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Old 08-23-2013, 02:55 PM
 
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Bravo for your last post, Supine! Awesome job!
Thank you.
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Old 08-23-2013, 03:24 PM
 
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Seems to me that the people who think abortion is killing babies should think that any other time the baby dies in the womb, the mom should be charged with involuntary manslaughter. I mean miscarriage due to the mom drinking, doing drugs, competing in boxing matches, etc. Is it possible for the mom to screw up so much that she's found negligent?

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rubbish. many babies have been born to mothers in the past who did drugs, drank alcohol, and smoked during their pregnancy. miscarriages happen even to mothers that dont do those things, do we charge them as well? generally the fetus is well protected for the first 7-8 months of a pregnancy, its after that when the problems can start, but usually by that time the fetus is strong enough to survive out of the womb after a premature birth.

personally i think that abortions should be limited to rape, incest, and protecting the life of the mother, but then i dont make the laws in this country.
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Old 08-23-2013, 07:58 PM
 
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1. A person can already be charged with murder for killing an unborn child. If that life was not human life than you shouldn't be charged with murdering another human. But courts and laws do.

2. What would be more honest with today's politics is if they would just come out and say directly, "Science will not be considered science until it passes through the consensus of feminists, LGBTs, and other liberals."
1. Yeah, pro-abortion choice people should be pushing to repeal such laws. I think that some of them might be willing to support such a repeal, but they feel like they have other more important issues to deal with right now.

2. What I find funny is that pro-abortion choicers are on average probably much more scientifically knowledgeable and educated than anti-abortion people, but on the science behind this they are probably more uneducated and less knowledgeable than anti-abortion people.
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Old 08-23-2013, 08:00 PM
 
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personally i think that abortions should be limited to rape, incest, and protecting the life of the mother, but then i dont make the laws in this country.
Why consensual incest?
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