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Old 03-03-2009, 12:58 AM
 
Location: Richmond
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You're taking a life and deciding to end it. You take a life and then you make the "choice" to do so. Thats what murder is.

So how is it not considered murder? Abortion is taking a life. Just because a fetus is not born yet, does not mean its not a human. Thats how we all start.

We are all alive because our mothers gave birth to us and didnt end our lives in the womb.
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Old 03-03-2009, 01:03 AM
 
Location: Long Island,New York
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You're taking a life and deciding to end it. You take a life and then you make the "choice" to do so. Thats what murder is.

So how is it not considered murder? Abortion is taking a life. Just because a fetus is not born yet, does not mean its not a human. Thats how we all start.

We are all alive because our mothers gave birth to us and didnt end our lives in the womb.
Abortion is a choice that needs to be taken VERY seriously.Early on I would not consider it murder.If you push 3 months--maybe,but what if someone is raped? Should they be forced to give birth to that child? Obviously not,and abortion is not taking a life,it's terminating a pregnancy which EVENTUALLY would lead up to a life.
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Old 03-03-2009, 01:14 AM
 
Location: New York, New York
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You're taking a life and deciding to end it. You take a life and then you make the "choice" to do so. Thats what murder is.

So how is it not considered murder? Abortion is taking a life. Just because a fetus is not born yet, does not mean its not a human. Thats how we all start.

We are all alive because our mothers gave birth to us and didnt end our lives in the womb.
Read throught the threads its been debated a thousand times.
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Old 03-03-2009, 01:14 AM
 
Location: Richmond
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Abortion is a choice that needs to be taken VERY seriously.Early on I would not consider it murder.If you push 3 months--maybe,but what if someone is raped? Should they be forced to give birth to that child? Obviously not,and abortion is not taking a life,it's terminating a pregnancy which EVENTUALLY would lead up to a life.
It is life. We all start as fetus. Fetus comes from the Latin word meaning "Young One". Its a beating heart. A baby cannot come from nothing. It begins somewhere, somehow.

Also very very very few abortions are because of rape. Most Abortions are for sake of convenience.
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Old 03-03-2009, 02:04 AM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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You're taking a life and deciding to end it. You take a life and then you make the "choice" to do so. Thats what murder is.

So how is it not considered murder? Abortion is taking a life. Just because a fetus is not born yet, does not mean its not a human. Thats how we all start.

We are all alive because our mothers gave birth to us and didnt end our lives in the womb.
Well, unless it's a toaster oven at the moment of conception that is magically transformed into a baby at some point in the pregnancy, I have to conclude that it is as much a person when it is conceived as when delivered. If the lungs of a fetus were developed enough to support its life at two weeks, we could remove all fetuses that were intended to be aborted alive and feed them intravenously until they were old enough to go home with their new parents. Lacking fully developed lungs does not make a person a non-person. But this is a ridiculous debate because everyone knows that a fetus is a person and that if it were left unharmed it would continue to develop until its tiny lungs could support its body. Here's the dirty little secret. For all the rationalizing that the pro-abortion folks do with respect to the personhood of the fetus, they know as well as every other person with the sense God gave a goose, that a child is a child from the moment of conception. They simply don't have an issue with killing a child if it is convenient to do so. I'm as guilty as anyone for allowing my common sense to be corrupted and have rationalized with the pro-abortion arguments. But I just can't suspend my ability to understand a simple concept like a unique life beginning at conception that, if left unharmed, needs no further action to fully develop to adulthood. The greatest indictment of the pro-abortion arguments are their complexities. The greatest indictment against pro-abortion supporters is that they will embrace a complex answer to the question of life when a simple one is available. It's called self-delusion.
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Old 03-03-2009, 05:09 AM
 
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Well, unless it's a toaster oven at the moment of conception that is magically transformed into a baby at some point in the pregnancy, I have to conclude that it is as much a person when it is conceived as when delivered. If the lungs of a fetus were developed enough to support its life at two weeks, we could remove all fetuses that were intended to be aborted alive and feed them intravenously until they were old enough to go home with their new parents. Lacking fully developed lungs does not make a person a non-person. But this is a ridiculous debate because everyone knows that a fetus is a person and that if it were left unharmed it would continue to develop until its tiny lungs could support its body. Here's the dirty little secret. For all the rationalizing that the pro-abortion folks do with respect to the personhood of the fetus, they know as well as every other person with the sense God gave a goose, that a child is a child from the moment of conception. They simply don't have an issue with killing a child if it is convenient to do so. I'm as guilty as anyone for allowing my common sense to be corrupted and have rationalized with the pro-abortion arguments. But I just can't suspend my ability to understand a simple concept like a unique life beginning at conception that, if left unharmed, needs no further action to fully develop to adulthood. The greatest indictment of the pro-abortion arguments are their complexities. The greatest indictment against pro-abortion supporters is that they will embrace a complex answer to the question of life when a simple one is available. It's called self-delusion.
Well, at least no one can fault your imagination...

BABY

NOT A BABY
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Old 03-03-2009, 05:17 AM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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Well, at least no one can fault your imagination...

BABY

NOT A BABY

OK.

I give up.

What's the difference?
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Old 03-03-2009, 07:52 AM
 
Location: An absurd world.
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Until an organism can live on its own, it's a parasite.
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Old 03-03-2009, 07:55 AM
 
Location: here
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a cluster of cells that is not able to live on it's own is not the same as a "baby" to me. Also, you talk about fetuses. what about embryos? Don't assume that what is aborted in a fetus. I would guess in most cases, it isn't.
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Old 03-03-2009, 08:01 AM
 
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Well, at least no one can fault your imagination...

BABY

NOT A BABY
BABY:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...n_IMG_1058.JPG

NOT A BABY:

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The meaning of my post is too deep for you, so it is really for the benefit of others.
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