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Old 01-01-2009, 11:17 PM
 
Location: Minnesota, USA
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I don't have health care at the moment, and I would never expect someone else to pay for it for me. people like me make you sick because you don't like to hear opposing points of view and you can't stand to have someone point out flaws. trust me, I have lived through things that you could never even imagine, and they were all my choice, and I fought to overcome the adversity alone.
Any person who ever claims to have fought through adversity alone is someone who clearly lacks insight, wisdom, depth of thought, understanding of life in general. There is no person, ever, who will ever make it through this life without the help (in one way or another - in many ways actually) of others. You have an over-zealous ego / inflated sense of self to think otherwise. There are so many ways in which others contribute to our successes & our misfortune. This is not to be mistaken for lacking personal accountability or a reasonable sense of pride in overcoming adversity. If you fail to see the countless ways in which countless others have contributed to your highest good, perhaps you should take some real time to reflect upon it.
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Old 01-01-2009, 11:23 PM
 
Location: Middle Earth
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if it were not true i would not say it.
its not an act friend.
many in the welfare system simply have no interest in the training and job seeking. they want neither.

I will not disagree that there are many who do abuse the system but to say most abuse is false.
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Old 01-01-2009, 11:26 PM
 
Location: southern california
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I will not disagree that there are many who do abuse the system but to say most abuse is false.
the self perception of most is they are interested ---the problem is in follow through. many many reasons for this. i dont see it as system abuse. honestly i dont. each and every person is worth the effort. its self ripoff that is the tragedy.
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Old 01-01-2009, 11:40 PM
 
Location: Middle Earth
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the self perception of most is they are interested ---the problem is in follow through. many many reasons for this. i dont see it as system abuse. honestly i dont. each and every person is worth the effort. its self ripoff that is the tragedy.

that is true but I do not see it as anyworse then CEO's paying themselves million dollar bonuses
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Old 01-01-2009, 11:43 PM
 
Location: southern california
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that is true but I do not see it as anyworse then CEO's paying themselves million dollar bonuses
sadder by far, the CEO is getting something, though very dirty money,
the poor person ripping off himself is worse off in every way. the sky is cryin.
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Old 01-02-2009, 04:01 AM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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I'll pray life is always gentle & easy for you - because karma could be a real "B" for someone with an attitude like yours. Thankfully, you hold no power over my life or my death - only me & my creator do. Fortunately for you - the same holds true!

Be well...
It isn't easy OR gentle, but I get through it okay. And I won't expect anyone to give me a handout either. If the day comes I cannot work, that's the day I'll die...because I'll do the "honorable" thing.
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Old 01-02-2009, 07:17 AM
 
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that is a great idea but is based on fantasy. Not everyone has the means or are smart enought to get a better life.
Wrong, immigrants can show up on the door step of America with the clothes on their back and be successful in a few years. If you want to be successful you need to sacrifice, that means getting up 4 A.M. and working until 9 P.M. and repeat that process every day for 10 years years whether you're working to establish a business or working and going to school. It means saving your money instead of buying McDonald's and that case of beer for the weekend. It means driving around in a junk car for a few years, having a small TV and not buying the latest and greatest piece of crap being marketed... it means a lot of things but the key word is sacrifice. This is the road that anyone who was poor took to be successful. Instead of whining on an internet forum about their problems they got up and did something about it.
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Old 01-02-2009, 11:11 AM
 
Location: Minnesota, USA
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It isn't easy OR gentle, but I get through it okay. And I won't expect anyone to give me a handout either. If the day comes I cannot work, that's the day I'll die...because I'll do the "honorable" thing.

So, you plan on opting on suicide rather than retirement? Because that would be NOT working... right?

Clearly, your idea of honourable & mine are two very different things. Not to mention your idea of what constitutes a true contribution to society being different than mine. I know that I add great value & service to the world... I know that I "work" very hard at the things I am able to do... I simply do not/cannot contribute in the limited ways you find acceptable.

It would be difficult trying to exist in such a myopic world. I truly wish you well!
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Old 01-02-2009, 11:40 AM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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Aren't you a little biased in that opinion though?
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Old 01-02-2009, 11:50 AM
 
Location: Minnesota, USA
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Aren't you a little biased in that opinion though?

There are NO truly unbiased opinions. We all have our own slant & perspective - no matter how even-handed or reasonable we try to be. Before becoming disabled I was living on a healthy $65,000 per year - not rich... not hurting financially either. I supported myself, my son, & my ailing sister & her husband -she had breast cancer, he had been on disability for years... neither were able to work. What they contributed to my life is immeasurable & no dollar value could ever be great enough.

I've been on both sides of this "fence" - and many degrees in between.

So, am I biased? Sure. But, I believe my bias is tempered greatly by a thoughtful, well reasoned mind. I don't hold these values simply because I now am disabled. I held them before - when I was working my azz off to support myself, my son, & eventually my sister & brother. What I believe is at the core of who I am & how I view the world & the inherent value of all human life.

I'd never count myself so noble or righteous as to think that my western, limited scope from which I view the world is the only measure by which to value life. I believe others would be wise to adopt such humility as well.

But, that IS my biased opinion...
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