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Old 08-26-2008, 07:48 AM
 
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I cannot find out if Barrys mom was a US citizen when Barry was born, some reports state that she gave up her US citizenship when she moved and never gained her US citizenship back when she came back to America.

I am thinking that Barry wants us to chase after his birth certificate to hide this, because if the truth is known and she was not a US citizen at the time of his birth, then he cannot run for the Presidency based on the fact that the Natural Born Citizenship cannot be passed from mother to child unless they are a US Citizen at the time of the birth.

Sure we have all went after the Birth Cert but I think this is more important.

Something tells me Barry has had us focusing on the BC on purpose so the real information that would do him in wouldnt be looked into.

I do know she gave up her US citizenship at one point before he was born but did she ever regain that citizenship?

Anyone know if she was in fact a US Citizen at the time of his birth?
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Old 08-26-2008, 07:55 AM
 
Location: NJ/NY
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Why is this important? You can't pick your parents.

Regardless, if you "do know she gave up her citizenship before he was born", give me some reputable links stating that. I have never heard this once before.
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Old 08-26-2008, 07:59 AM
 
Location: Wallace, Idaho
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I can't believe I'm feeding the troll, but ...

Birthright citizenship in the United States of America follows from a hybrid rule of jus soli and jus sanguinis. Under the American system, any person born within the United States and subject to its jurisdiction is automatically granted U.S. citizenship, [1] as are many (though not all) children born to American citizens overseas.

When accorded automatic birthright citizenship based on birth on American soil, a newborn's status is generally unaffected by the legal status or citizenship of that individual's mother or father.


Birthright citizenship in the United States of America - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Desperate. Just desperate. The RNC is going to have to feed you better information than that.
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Old 08-26-2008, 08:23 AM
 
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Is this going to be another classic Sunshine Chick thread where you throw out a baseless, unsubstantiated accusation and then never return to discuss it/back up your claims?
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Old 08-26-2008, 08:39 AM
 
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I can't believe I'm feeding the troll, but ...

Birthright citizenship in the United States of America follows from a hybrid rule of jus soli and jus sanguinis. Under the American system, any person born within the United States and subject to its jurisdiction is automatically granted U.S. citizenship, [1] as are many (though not all) children born to American citizens overseas.

When accorded automatic birthright citizenship based on birth on American soil, a newborn's status is generally unaffected by the legal status or citizenship of that individual's mother or father.


Birthright citizenship in the United States of America - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Desperate. Just desperate. The RNC is going to have to feed you better information than that.
Now show me the NATURAL BIRTH RIGHT laws that are linked the the Presidency.

It is completely different.
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Old 08-26-2008, 08:44 AM
 
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I cannot find out if Barrys mom was a US citizen when Barry was born, some reports state that she gave up her US citizenship when she moved and never gained her US citizenship back when she came back to America.

I am thinking that Barry wants us to chase after his birth certificate to hide this, because if the truth is known and she was not a US citizen at the time of his birth, then he cannot run for the Presidency based on the fact that the Natural Born Citizenship cannot be passed from mother to child unless they are a US Citizen at the time of the birth.

Sure we have all went after the Birth Cert but I think this is more important.

Something tells me Barry has had us focusing on the BC on purpose so the real information that would do him in wouldnt be looked into.

I do know she gave up her US citizenship at one point before he was born but did she ever regain that citizenship?

Anyone know if she was in fact a US Citizen at the time of his birth?
You need to do THIS in order to make McCain electable?

You don't understand how much you are hurting McCain by doing this.
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Old 08-26-2008, 08:48 AM
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Now show me the NATURAL BIRTH RIGHT laws that are linked the the Presidency.

It is completely different.
I know, I know....this is a waste of my time. But I'm going to try just one more time to explain. Natural Birth Right law pertains to people born OUTSIDE OF THE U.S. to U.S. citizens. It does NOT pertain to people born IN the U.S. If a person is born in the U.S. Automatic Birth Right is the law that pertains. Senator Obama was born in the U.S.A. so Automatic Birth Right is the law that pertains to him. Why do you think people get so upset when illegal aliens enter the U.S. and have a baby and that baby becomes an AUTOMATIC CITIZEN OF THE U.S?

Go back and read through the laws. The law is clear. You are just reading and quoting from THE WRONG LAW.
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Old 08-26-2008, 08:50 AM
 
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Obama was born in Hawaii - so it is a moot point whether his mother was a citizen at the time.

Sunshine, where are your links?
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Old 08-26-2008, 08:51 AM
 
Location: Washington state
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Obama was born in Hawaii - so it is a moot point whether his mother was a citizen at the time.

Sunshine, where are your links?

When you make stuff up, you don't have links.
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Old 08-26-2008, 08:52 AM
 
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I can't believe I'm feeding the troll, but ...

Birthright citizenship in the United States of America follows from a hybrid rule of jus soli and jus sanguinis. Under the American system, any person born within the United States and subject to its jurisdiction is automatically granted U.S. citizenship, [1] as are many (though not all) children born to American citizens overseas.

When accorded automatic birthright citizenship based on birth on American soil, a newborn's status is generally unaffected by the legal status or citizenship of that individual's mother or father.


Birthright citizenship in the United States of America - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Desperate. Just desperate. The RNC is going to have to feed you better information than that.
Well, I don't think this line of questioning is desperate. These are questions about his eligibility to be POTUS. The voters get to ask these kind of questions and deserve answers. These are not complicated questions and there are black and white answers. Just like the OP, I have had trouble getting straight answers to the following:

What country did Stanley Ann Dunham have citizenship with at the time of Barry's birth?

What country was Barry born in?

I remember something coming in from the Barry camp a few days ago about his birth certificate, but didn't really read the threads. Did he finally show a copy of a Hawaiian Birth Cirtificate...not just the live birth thing they had at the Dailykos.

If I get a straight answer, I'll surely be satisfied. If it's more tap dancing around the topic and obfuscation, I'll keep looking for the truth.
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