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Old 09-24-2008, 04:00 AM
 
Location: Hell with the lid off, baby!
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Everyone click on the link and read! This is a very good article by a very reputable business mind.

Today, the purchase of junk mortgages, securitized credit card receivables and even student loans will be bought at prices significantly below "par" or cost, and prospectively at levels allowing for capital gains. This is a Wall Street-friendly package only to the extent that it frees up funds for future loans and economic growth.

William H. Gross - How Main Street Will Profit

Meet Our Masters - William Gross
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Old 09-26-2008, 12:33 PM
 
Location: parrish florida
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Hi Pals,

I'm against the $85,000,000,000.00 bailout of AIG.

Instead, I'm in favor of giving $85,000,000,000 to America in
a We Deserve It Dividend.

To make the math simple, let's assume there are 200,000,000
bonafide U.S. Citizens 18+.

Our population is about 301,000,000 +/- counting every man, woman
and child. So 200,000,000 might be a fair stab at adults 18 and up..

So divide 200 million adults 18+ into $85 billon that equals $425,000.00.

My plan is to give $425,000 to every person 18+ as a
We Deserve It Dividend.

Of course, it would NOT be tax free.
So let's assume a tax rate of 30%.

Every individual 18+ has to pay $127,500.00 in taxes.
That sends $25,500,000,000 right back to Uncle Sam.

But it means that every adult 18+ has $297,500.00 in their pocket.
A husband and wife has $595,000.00.

What would you do with $297,500.00 to $595,000.00 in your family?
Pay off your mortgage – housing crisis solved.
Repay college loans – what a great boost to new grads
Put away money for college – it'll be there
Save in a bank – create money to loan to entrepreneurs.
Buy a new car – create jobs
Invest in the market – capital drives growth
Pay for your parent' s medical insurance – health care improves
Enable Deadbeat Dads to come clean – or else

Remember this is for every adult U S Citizen 18+ including the folks
who lost their jobs at Lehman Brothers and every other company
that is cutting back. And of course, for those serving in our Armed Forces.

If we're going to re-distribute wealth let's really do it...instead of trickling out
a puny $1000.00 ( "vote buy" ) economic incentive that is being proposed by one of our candidates for President.

If we're going to do an $85 billion bailout, let's bail out every adult U S Citizen 18+!

As for AIG – liquidate it.
Sell off its parts.
Let American General go back to being American General.
Sell off the real estate.
Let the private sector bargain hunters cut it up and clean it up.

Here's my rationale. We deserve it and AIG doesn't.

Sure it's a crazy idea that can "never work."

But can you imagine the Coast-To-Co ast Block Party!

How do you spell Economic Boom?

I trust my fellow adult Americans to know how to use the $85 Billion
We Deserve It Dividend more than I do the geniuses at AIG or in Washington DC .

And remember, The Birk pla n only really costs $59.5 Billion because $25.5 Billion is returned
instantly in taxes to Uncle Sam.

Ahhh...I feel so much better getting that off my chest.
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Old 09-26-2008, 02:15 PM
 
Location: DFW, TX
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192 economics experts, including 1 Nobel prize winner feel differently...

http://faculty.chicagogsb.edu/john.c...ge_protest.htm
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Old 09-26-2008, 02:18 PM
 
29,939 posts, read 39,477,016 times
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Originally Posted by westcoastfl43066 View Post
Hi Pals,

I'm against the $85,000,000,000.00 bailout of AIG.

Instead, I'm in favor of giving $85,000,000,000 to America in
a We Deserve It Dividend.

To make the math simple, let's assume there are 200,000,000
bonafide U.S. Citizens 18+.

Our population is about 301,000,000 +/- counting every man, woman
and child. So 200,000,000 might be a fair stab at adults 18 and up..

So divide 200 million adults 18+ into $85 billon that equals $425,000.00.

My plan is to give $425,000 to every person 18+ as a
We Deserve It Dividend.

Of course, it would NOT be tax free.
So let's assume a tax rate of 30%.

Every individual 18+ has to pay $127,500.00 in taxes.
That sends $25,500,000,000 right back to Uncle Sam.

But it means that every adult 18+ has $297,500.00 in their pocket.
A husband and wife has $595,000.00.

What would you do with $297,500.00 to $595,000.00 in your family?
Pay off your mortgage – housing crisis solved.
Repay college loans – what a great boost to new grads
Put away money for college – it'll be there
Save in a bank – create money to loan to entrepreneurs.
Buy a new car – create jobs
Invest in the market – capital drives growth
Pay for your parent' s medical insurance – health care improves
Enable Deadbeat Dads to come clean – or else

Remember this is for every adult U S Citizen 18+ including the folks
who lost their jobs at Lehman Brothers and every other company
that is cutting back. And of course, for those serving in our Armed Forces.

If we're going to re-distribute wealth let's really do it...instead of trickling out
a puny $1000.00 ( "vote buy" ) economic incentive that is being proposed by one of our candidates for President.

If we're going to do an $85 billion bailout, let's bail out every adult U S Citizen 18+!

As for AIG – liquidate it.
Sell off its parts.
Let American General go back to being American General.
Sell off the real estate.
Let the private sector bargain hunters cut it up and clean it up.

Here's my rationale. We deserve it and AIG doesn't.

Sure it's a crazy idea that can "never work."

But can you imagine the Coast-To-Co ast Block Party!

How do you spell Economic Boom?

I trust my fellow adult Americans to know how to use the $85 Billion
We Deserve It Dividend more than I do the geniuses at AIG or in Washington DC .

And remember, The Birk pla n only really costs $59.5 Billion because $25.5 Billion is returned
instantly in taxes to Uncle Sam.

Ahhh...I feel so much better getting that off my chest.

You want to give an almost $300,000 credit card to all tax paying Americans? (which by the way is 117 million)
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Old 09-26-2008, 02:33 PM
 
Location: In a house
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Its our money anyway. I like that idea better than any other I'v heard.
If we have 85 billion to lend a hand why not help the hand that feeds us first. The citizens.
WTF am I paying taxes for if we have that much lieing around.
Fact is we are broke it seems, so we cant bail nobody out. Only shift the debt sorta. Personally I dont want to pay someone elses debt.
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Old 09-26-2008, 02:39 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Tin Knocker View Post
Its our money anyway. I like that idea better than any other I'v heard.
If we have 85 billion to lend a hand why not help the hand that feeds us first. The citizens.
WTF am I paying taxes for if we have that much lieing around.
Fact is we are broke it seems, so we cant bail nobody out. Only shift the debt sorta. Personally I dont want to pay someone elses debt.

Do you think children want to pay it? They haven't even been born in some cases.
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Old 09-26-2008, 03:31 PM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
7,184 posts, read 4,770,186 times
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dugdogmaster View Post
Everyone click on the link and read! This is a very good article by a very reputable business mind.

Today, the purchase of junk mortgages, securitized credit card receivables and even student loans will be bought at prices significantly below "par" or cost, and prospectively at levels allowing for capital gains. This is a Wall Street-friendly package only to the extent that it frees up funds for future loans and economic growth.

William H. Gross - How Main Street Will Profit

Meet Our Masters - William Gross
Nice try, but I'm not buying.
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Old 09-26-2008, 04:15 PM
 
Location: Just transplanted to FL from the N GA mountains
3,997 posts, read 4,145,129 times
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Can somebody check the math there?

I had that same thing sent to me the other day... and was told to check the math.... It doesn't work out...

Although... now instead of 83 billion it's 700.... so maybe.........
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Old 09-26-2008, 05:01 PM
 
Location: In a house
5,232 posts, read 8,419,133 times
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BigJon3475 View Post
Do you think children want to pay it? They haven't even been born in some cases.
I dont think it should be done period,,,, but if its going to be done its the taxpayers who's debts should be cleared first. IMO of course.
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Old 09-27-2008, 01:25 PM
 
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The Gross article is closer to the truth than at least 95% of what's been written about these deals. People are already elbowing each other trying to get and keep a place in line to get their hands on these so-called "toxic assets" that the Government stands to be acquiring. They aren't worth 100% of what they once were, but they aren't worth 0% either. To anyone with an ability to hold onto these things for a while, the discounted prices at which they are likely to become available offer a chance to realize some rather striking long-term gains.

Meanwhile, wiping these things off the books of those who currently hold them will be a major step toward greasing the wheels of the credit markets. When credit moves, so does the economy, and that's a good thing...
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