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Old 10-18-2008, 03:26 PM
 
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What did George Bush single-handedly do to this country? Seriously, I want to know. He made some bad decisions; I would never deny that. I am not happy with him as President, but he didn't "do" anything "to" this country. And there's plenty of blame to spread around.

You're not a Republican ... far from it. No card carrying Republican believes that the election was stolen. But the Democrats will be whining and moaning forever over the fact that they just plain lost. Sometimes in this world we lose and there's simply no one to blame.
I agree about Bush and pointing blame. Not to belabor the issue, but it's not possible anymore to find fault in one location. Politics has devolved to the point of Teflon in terms of accountability. I do however, hold him accountable for the overall direction we are going, and his cowardice at not acknowledging his own errors.

But on the stealing of the elections, you make Republicans out to be clones of Bush: hard-headed stubborn fools who don't put two and two together. While I can't singlehandedly prove that the last two elections were stolen for Bush, it certainly seems highly likely considering how much we allow our two parties to attack each other. Is it not logical for political corruption to go that far? It's no longer voter fraud, it's election fraud: Electronic voting machines that can easily be hacked. The CEO of the company manufacturing those machines claiming he'd win Ohio for Bush. The Republicans behind purging the polls of people known to vote overwhelmingly Democratic. Decades-reliable exit polls differing wildly from vote counts for the first time. Paper ballots being tossed in the garbage so no true recount can be done. It's not hard to predict a link between these questionable and probably illegal actions and the ultimate winner. I'm not partisan, so if the results were the other way around, I'd still be suspicious.

Let's remove the partisanship that blinds us from the truth so we can focus on probable causes and form ironclad solutions. Accept that blame may never stick wherever we place it. The solution is more urgent than our need to be or feel "right". Our reluctance to choose this path only adds to the crimes being committed against us.
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Old 10-18-2008, 05:32 PM
 
Location: USA
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just wait and see if obama gets office. it will get really bad.

It is just one big party, come on.

The lines between the parties are blurred by Big Money.
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Old 10-20-2008, 10:49 AM
 
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Yes, hate is ugly, and by far the ugliest examples of this are found on the extreme left, in liberal areas where any sort of dissent is immediately and violently attacked.
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Old 10-20-2008, 11:27 AM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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How about making a point? So are you implying that someone who works 12-14 days but does not perform any actual physical labor is, in essence, not working hard?

If I have to tell you the difference betwen "hard work" and "having a job", there isn't even a starting point at which we can have a discussion. If a WalMart Greeter is asked to work overtime, do you call that "hard work"? No distinction between that and, say, carrying 150 pound bags of cement up a gangplank onto a ship in the hot sun when it is 105 in the shade?
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Old 10-20-2008, 08:07 PM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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Eh...I've hated the Christian Right and most of the Right for a while so...nothing new.
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Old 10-20-2008, 08:11 PM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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Yes, hate is ugly, and by far the ugliest examples of this are found on the extreme left, in liberal areas where any sort of dissent is immediately and violently attacked.
Are you kidding me?

"I want you to just let a wave of intolerance wash over you. I want you to let a wave of hatred wash over you. Yes, hate is good... Our goal is a Christian nation. We have a Biblical duty, we are called by God, to conquer this country. We don't want equal time. We don't want pluralism."

-Randall Terry, Founder of Operation Rescue
Quoted in The News-Sentinel, Fort Wayne, Indiana. 8-16-93


I oppose fundamentalism on both sides but I am most afraid of fundamentalism on the right because I'm:
1) a woman
2) a black person
3)a lesbian
4) An atheist
5) Pro-choice
6)Rational....
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Old 10-20-2008, 08:32 PM
 
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Yes, the hate is ugly. Most people don't have that deep hatred and seeing it disgusts most people. The RNC and McCain is turning voters off in record numbers and in the end, they will be the reason Obama will win.
True the polls speak for themselves.

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So, how do you think the "hate" will stop? Will it happen once we are all slaves to a socialist state and appropriately subjugated? Freedom and the right to self-determination are worth fighting for.
You know I am finding this a hard pill to swallow! lET US START FROM THE BEGINNING,
BO is an elitist
BO is a terrorist
BO wants this country to be a socialist country...this is all coming straight from the mouths of the McCain party and the neocons follow this rhetoric as if it was written in stone?
Can you all get your heads together and decide what we should peg this man? lolz!
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