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Old 11-10-2008, 07:16 AM
 
Location: San Diego North County
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My libertarian view on this issue is simple, if you don't support gay marriage, don't marry someone who is gay. However gay and straight people should expect separation of religious beliefs from state laws. Unless you can prove within a court of law that gay marriage has caused you personal property damage, or has left you a victim of fraud, no one has the right to tell any two adults what kind of relationship they want to participate in.
In fact the government has no right to intervene in the relationships of gay, lesbian, straight, bisexual, polygamists, so along as the involved individuals have consented without coercion.
Short, succinct, and to the point.

Excellent post.

 
Old 11-10-2008, 07:25 AM
 
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Gay marriage isn't a civil rights issue. It's a moral issue. Just like we don't allow brothers and sisters to marry, we shouldn't allow the same sex to marry.
Allowing you to live isn't a moral issue. Just a civil issue of public safety. Just like how we don't allow convicted felons to run free, we shouldn't allow you to run free either.

This is your logic, not mine.
 
Old 11-10-2008, 07:43 AM
 
Location: Michigan
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Gay marriage isn't a civil rights issue. It's a moral issue. Just like we don't allow brothers and sisters to marry, we shouldn't allow the same sex to marry.
I couldn't disagree more. It might be a moral issue to you, but it's not to many others. Not only that, but the bigger issue is how morals is tied to philosophy, thus religion. There is a link there and so if you apply a ban based on morals, this is a violation of the separation of church and state.
 
Old 11-10-2008, 07:46 AM
 
Location: SW Kansas
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Can't we all just get along?

If we all met in person, I bet we'd get along better than we do here.

I've actually gotten along with many conservative people in my life. I wonder, though, if the conservatives here have ever gotten along with liberals, or God forbid - gays.

Conservatives: If you've had any positive relationships with liberals and/or gays, I'd like to hear about them.
Republican Catholic here. (can I get any less liberal???) And married. To a man. I've had many gay friends of both sex. The most recent was a woman that I worked with. I wish she could have touched more peoples lives. She was special and I cared about her very much. She died an unexpected and tragic death a year or so ago and we all still miss her. Even though I did not like her life partner I did see how little rights a surviving partner has and how devastating it is for them.

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Old 11-10-2008, 08:16 AM
 
Location: The Queen City
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Gay marriage isn't a civil rights issue. It's a moral issue. Just like we don't allow brothers and sisters to marry, we shouldn't allow the same sex to marry.
Too bad some people married and bred. Some in this thread are perfect examples of those all mighty santified marriages...
 
Old 11-10-2008, 08:16 AM
 
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Here is something to chew on. If gays who claim they are born attracted to the same sex should get the right to marriage, then why shouldn't bi-sexuals who claim to be attracted to both sexes be required to choose only one partner. What if a bi-sexual is in love with 2 people? Should the law respect their orientation too?
 
Old 11-10-2008, 08:21 AM
 
Location: The Queen City
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Short, succinct, and to the point.

Excellent post.

Hmmm, makes me think...what would African Americans think if there would be law banning marriage between blacks and whites......how would they feel? After all, 70% of blacks voted for Proposition 8 in California....

Black voters helped ban gay marriage in California | Freep.com | Detroit Free Press (http://www.freep.com/article/20081107/NEWS15/81107126 - broken link)

Did they forget how it felt to be discriminated against a few decades ago?
 
Old 11-10-2008, 08:22 AM
 
Location: Socialist Republik of Amerika
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Here is something to chew on. If gays who claim they are born attracted to the same sex should get the right to marriage, then why shouldn't bi-sexuals who claim to be attracted to both sexes be required to choose only one partner. What if a bi-sexual is in love with 2 people? Should the law respect their orientation too?
Another example of the slippery slope to making marriage into a undefinable mess. While ruining a institution that many hold sacred.


freedom
 
Old 11-10-2008, 08:24 AM
 
Location: The Queen City
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Here is something to chew on. If gays who claim they are born attracted to the same sex should get the right to marriage, then why shouldn't bi-sexuals who claim to be attracted to both sexes be required to choose only one partner. What if a bi-sexual is in love with 2 people? Should the law respect their orientation too?
Bisexual people might enjoy sex with both sexes, but that doesn't mean they will fall in love with two people. They would marry whomever they fall in love with, either a man or a woman. What makes you think that because bisexuals like both sexes they would love more than one person? Do you love two women or men at the same time because you are straight?
 
Old 11-10-2008, 08:25 AM
 
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Here is something to chew on. If gays who claim they are born attracted to the same sex should get the right to marriage, then why shouldn't bi-sexuals who claim to be attracted to both sexes be required to choose only one partner. What if a bi-sexual is in love with 2 people? Should the law respect their orientation too?
No, because that'd be equivalent to polygamy. Cheating is cheating is cheating..whether with a man, woman, or animal.
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