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And same-sex marriage laws do precisely that. They allow children being raised by same-sex couples of enjoy growing up in the context of a marriage. They allow those children to experience the benefits of marriage, such as the stablization of the relationship, the promotion of monogamy, and so forth.
You may wish gays did not raise children, but they do. Given that, allowing them to be married benefits the children they are raising. To oppose their being allowed to marry is to callously support denying those children the benefits they enjoy when their same-sex parents are allowed to marry.
And the same people -- and you know who you are -- who spitefully work against children in this regard are the same ones who will endlessly whine "But... but... we're doing it for the children!". No, you're not. You're just cynically using children as an excuse to justify your out-dated, obsolete discriminatory ideas.
Some of you ssm supporters are so predictable and defensive . I respond to a question with facts and you ASSume it means I oppose ssm or ssparents raising children.
Some of you ssm supporters are so predictable and defensive . I respond to a question with facts and you ASSume it means I oppose ssm or ssparents raising children.
I think at least part of that was directed at rebel12 who has been saying that he opposes ssm and ss parenting for pages and pages and pages and won't rebuttal anything posted besides just saying it's not true which is why i've stopped posting except for to point this out...when I read "and you know who you are" the first person i thought of was rebel12 personally.
Some of you ssm supporters are so predictable and defensive . I respond to a question with facts and you ASSume it means I oppose ssm or ssparents raising children.
The phrase "you ssm supporters" pretty clearly indicates that you consider us in a different group than yourself, and is thus a tacit admission that you oppose same-sex marriage. Come on. Don't be such a coward. You have a position, so own it.
"ASS"? I won't speak of all same-sex marriage opponents, but such childishness is very predictable for you, as is your general evasion of everything I wrote with your silly evasion of your stance on same-sex marriage and a juvenile act of name-calling.
I think at least part of that was directed at rebel12 who has been saying that he opposes ssm and ss parenting for pages and pages and pages and won't rebuttal anything posted besides just saying it's not true which is why i've stopped posting except for to point this out...when I read "and you know who you are" the first person i thought of was rebel12 personally.
Could be, but I think it was for me. In my experience, unless a person is 100% 'on the side' of every argument made by ssm advocates, there's an assumption you oppose ssm and ssparenting. I think there's a tendency to draw 'sides' on message boards regardless of the issue. Just an obsevation. It doesn't bother me.
Could be, but I think it was for me. In my experience, unless a person is 100% 'on the side' of every argument made by ssm advocates, there's an assumption you oppose ssm and ssparenting. I think there's a tendency to draw 'sides' on message boards regardless of the issue. Just an obsevation. It doesn't bother me.
Maybe that's why I keep getting called a socialist or leftie on here despite being a libertarian, and not being rah rah Team Red or rah rah Team Blue but libertarian is the opposite of socialism in fact it's true capitalist, and stay out of my business and i'll stay out of yours.
The phrase "you ssm supporters" pretty clearly indicates that you consider us in a different group than yourself, and is thus a tacit admission that you oppose same-sex marriage. Come on. Don't be such a coward. You have a position, so own it.
"ASS"? I won't speak of all same-sex marriage opponents, but such childishness is very predictable for you, as is your general evasion of everything I wrote with your silly evasion of your stance on same-sex marriage and a juvenile act of name-calling.
Par for the course.
Though I support ssm, I don't tend to associate myself with a 'side,' particularly the typical advocates on message boards who toss around words like bigots, haters, ignorant, delusional sky daddy worshippers to anyone who disagrees.
Though I support ssm, I don't tend to associate myself with a 'side,' particularly the typical advocates on message boards who toss around words like bigots, haters, ignorant, delusional sky daddy worshippers to anyone who disagrees.
Then you could've said "some people" instead of "some of you SSM supporters"...
I don't know just how "typical" it is for gay rights advocates on message boards to throw around these words. But I will say that all other proposed reasons for being against gay marriage and adoption have been shot down with logic revealing a rather undeniable prejudice. Whether these reasons are religious or secular, it would seem that SSM opponents have an unfounded bias against homosexuals.
Then you could've said "some people" instead of "some of you SSM supporters"...
I don't know just how "typical" it is for gay rights advocates on message boards to throw around these words. But I will say that all other proposed reasons for being against gay marriage and adoption have been shot down with logic revealing a rather undeniable prejudice. Whether these reasons are religious or secular, it would seem that SSM opponents have an unfounded bias against homosexuals.
Let's just take an argument that you and others use all the time. Social science studies 'prove' children raised in ss households do just fine or better than in woman-man parent households. You consider it 'unfound bias' to question or doubt the validity of those studies.
I admit to an underlying mistrust of social 'science' studies, particularly on divisive social issues. Are the samples large enough, are the subjects representative, is the longevity adequate, etc. My doubts are because of a bias against the credibility of this type of research, not a bias against homosexuals. I can easily see why parents for whom it is difficult to have children/become parents will be wonderful parents. Though I support ssadoption, I'm simply not as eager as you to say people who have doubts are hateful bigots.
I don't agree with you that all reasons for being against gay marriage and adoption have been shot down with logic revealing a rather undeniable prejudice.
Let's just take an argument that you and others use all the time. Social science studies 'prove' children raised in ss households do just fine or better than in woman-man parent households. You consider it 'unfound bias' to question or doubt the validity of those studies.
I admit to an underlying mistrust of social 'science' studies, particularly on divisive social issues. Are the samples large enough, are the subjects representative, is the longevity adequate, etc. My doubts are because of a bias against the credibility of this type of research, not a bias against homosexuals. I can easily see why parents for whom it is difficult to have children/become parents will be wonderful parents. Though I support ssadoption, I'm simply not as eager as you to say people who have doubts are hateful bigots.
I don't agree with you that all reasons for being against gay marriage and adoption have been shot down with logic revealing a rather undeniable prejudice.
I can't speak for anyone else but the people on "the other side" of this issue has been talking about wanting AIDS to kill gays, when not calling gays perverts so how is that not prejudice?
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. I respond to a question with facts and you ASSume it means I oppose ssm or ssparents raising children.