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Old 12-15-2008, 09:48 PM
 
Location: somewhere in the woods
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If President Obama tries to legislate against assault weapons, does that automatically mean legislation against each and every gun in the country? I didn't realize they were all the same. (You'll have to pardon me for the simplicity of the question; I'm not a gun owner, and I just didn't know that there's an actual need for people to be running around with assault weapons).

assault rifles are already controlled by the BATF and the federals. the congress want to make some firearms illegal for the way they look.

the new AWB includes so many firearms that it really boggles the mind.
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Old 12-16-2008, 06:13 AM
 
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If President Obama tries to legislate against assault weapons, does that automatically mean legislation against each and every gun in the country? I didn't realize they were all the same. (You'll have to pardon me for the simplicity of the question; I'm not a gun owner, and I just didn't know that there's an actual need for people to be running around with assault weapons).
"Assault weapon" is a manufactured term that has no real definition, meant to confuse people with "assault rifle" (which is a machine gun) and to make the guns sound "scary." The ban would ban some of the most popular firearms today. It's absolutely an unacceptable infringement on a civil right.
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Old 12-16-2008, 06:41 AM
 
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Every sane person is in favor of gun control-it is the level of gun control that is up for debate. Every Republican, including Rush, La Pierre, gunluver 1 through 10,000, Huckleberry, artichomesteader, ridgewalker, monkeywrencher, etc., does not want unrestricted gun sales to the criminally insane or children (any objections?). This is gun control. When gun lovers rail against all gun control, they increase the odds that another criminally insane idiot like Cho Seung-Hui will walk into gun store, buy a gun, and start slaughtering innocent people. Next time it could be your daughter or grandaughter on the receiving end.
So we need no further gun control beyond forbidding the criminally insane & kids from owning them? I could go for that. Course it would mean removing volumes of unnecessary redundant laws.

Cho Sueng wasn't criminally insane. As for my kids, they & yours too, are much more likely to get run over by a soccer mom putting on her makeup & talking to her shrink on the cell than they are to get shot.
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Old 12-16-2008, 09:24 AM
 
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However, you and other NRA members have effectively evicerated enforcement of laws that could keep guns out of the hands of the criminally insane and children.
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" ...effectively evicerated enforcement..."
Which laws ? When , where?

Got any sources or links--- anything solid that would back that up?

Public safety is serious business.
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Old 12-16-2008, 12:49 PM
 
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" ...effectively evicerated enforcement..."
Which laws ? When , where?

Got any sources or links--- anything solid that would back that up?

Public safety is serious business.

For example:

Virginia NRA sponsored laws or laws blocked:

State law forbids local city or county governments from enacting any local gun laws, even though the state has failed to pass responsible state-wide laws. This preemption of local government authority makes it impossible for cities to enact sensible gun laws to make their citizens safer. Local laws enacted prior to 1987 were allowed to remain in force.

No state requirement that a Brady criminal background check be done on people buying guns at gun shows if they are sold by "private" individuals or gun "collectors." Gun shows can operate on a "no questions asked, cash-and-carry" basis, making it easy for criminals and even juveniles to buy as many guns as they want at gun shows, including assault weapons. No records are required to be kept on gun show sales by private individuals or gun collectors, making it almost impossible for police to trace such weapons if they are used in a crime.

There is no state law requiring new semi-automatic handguns be fitted with microstamping technology, which would engrave on each fired bullet casing microscopic identifying markings that are specific to that firearm alone. This technology would provide law enforcement with another investigative tool to better solve gun crimes and apprehend armed criminals.

State law does not require firearm owners to report lost or stolen firearms to law enforcement. This requirement would help to keep illegal guns off the streets by removing the excuse used by gun traffickers that "lose" their firearms.
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Old 12-16-2008, 02:42 PM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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For example:

Virginia NRA sponsored laws or laws blocked:

State law forbids local city or county governments from enacting any local gun laws, even though the state has failed to pass responsible state-wide laws. This preemption of local government authority makes it impossible for cities to enact sensible gun laws to make their citizens safer. Local laws enacted prior to 1987 were allowed to remain in force.

No state requirement that a Brady criminal background check be done on people buying guns at gun shows if they are sold by "private" individuals or gun "collectors." Gun shows can operate on a "no questions asked, cash-and-carry" basis, making it easy for criminals and even juveniles to buy as many guns as they want at gun shows, including assault weapons. No records are required to be kept on gun show sales by private individuals or gun collectors, making it almost impossible for police to trace such weapons if they are used in a crime.

There is no state law requiring new semi-automatic handguns be fitted with microstamping technology, which would engrave on each fired bullet casing microscopic identifying markings that are specific to that firearm alone. This technology would provide law enforcement with another investigative tool to better solve gun crimes and apprehend armed criminals.

State law does not require firearm owners to report lost or stolen firearms to law enforcement. This requirement would help to keep illegal guns off the streets by removing the excuse used by gun traffickers that "lose" their firearms.
Do you have any original thoughts or independent research, or do you always rely on pasting copyrighted text (http://www.stategunlaws.org/viewstate.php?st=VA - broken link) verbatim to make your argument?
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Old 12-16-2008, 03:21 PM
 
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For example:

Virginia NRA sponsored laws or laws blocked:

State law forbids local city or county governments from enacting any local gun laws, even though the state has failed to pass responsible state-wide laws. This preemption of local government authority makes it impossible for cities to enact sensible gun laws to make their citizens safer. Local laws enacted prior to 1987 were allowed to remain in force.

'Responsible" and "sensible" is subjective now isn't it?.Some would believe that nothing short of making near impossible to own one would only be the responsible and sensible thing to have.Responsible and sensible are buzz words used sometimes.

No state requirement that a Brady criminal background check be done on people buying guns at gun shows if they are sold by "private" individuals or gun "collectors." Gun shows can operate on a "no questions asked, cash-and-carry" basis, making it easy for criminals and even juveniles to buy as many guns as they want at gun shows, including assault weapons. No records are required to be kept on gun show sales by private individuals or gun collectors, making it almost impossible for police to trace such weapons if they are used in a crime.

There is no gunshow loophole,this is a farce once again portrayed by anti's in order to dupe people into believing they should pass more laws that ultimately is just a jab at shutting down or creating red tape to gunshows.If a guy does a private sale at a show what is the difference if he does it in a parking lot instead and how are you going to stop him? is there a "parking lot loophole"?

There is no state law requiring new semi-automatic handguns be fitted with microstamping technology, which would engrave on each fired bullet casing microscopic identifying markings that are specific to that firearm alone. This technology would provide law enforcement with another investigative tool to better solve gun crimes and apprehend armed criminals.

This idea of "smart guns and bullets" is a farce dreamed up by anti's once again to devastate the shooting community with unproven and EXSPENSIVE technology that would do nothing to prevent crime yet force many to give up shooting sports and defense because it would be priced out of their ability
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Old 12-16-2008, 03:26 PM
 
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They should be banned
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Old 12-16-2008, 04:06 PM
 
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For example:

Virginia NRA sponsored laws or laws blocked:

State law forbids local city or county governments from enacting any local gun laws, even though the state has failed to pass responsible state-wide laws. This preemption of local government authority makes it impossible for cities to enact sensible gun laws to make their citizens safer. Local laws enacted prior to 1987 were allowed to remain in force.
As it should be, things protected by state & federal constitutions should not be at the mercy of smaller municipal govt's. What good is a constitution if some village elder can over ride it at a whim.

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No state requirement that a Brady criminal background check be done on people buying guns at gun shows if they are sold by "private" individuals or gun "collectors." Gun shows can operate on a "no questions asked, cash-and-carry" basis, making it easy for criminals and even juveniles to buy as many guns as they want at gun shows, including assault weapons. No records are required to be kept on gun show sales by private individuals or gun collectors, making it almost impossible for police to trace such weapons if they are used in a crime.
Bullcrap. Handguns need NICS aproval for all transfers. Kids under 18 cannot be sold firearms. Assault weapons have a plethora of their own restrictions you probably havent a clue about.

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There is no state law requiring new semi-automatic handguns be fitted with microstamping technology, which would engrave on each fired bullet casing microscopic identifying markings that are specific to that firearm alone. This technology would provide law enforcement with another investigative tool to better solve gun crimes and apprehend armed criminals.
Thats a good one. The technology doesn't exist in a usable form. I think only CA actually passed it. Its about as stupid as putting a cars vin number on the front bumper so it would imprint on victims of hit & runs.
We dont have trouble aprehending criminals. We have trouble incarcerating them.

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State law does not require firearm owners to report lost or stolen firearms to law enforcement. This requirement would help to keep illegal guns off the streets by removing the excuse used by gun traffickers that "lose" their firearms.
No it wouldn't. They will just report them stolen after they sell them & recieve full protection of the law.

Even if they dont it will in no way deter crime since a crime has to be commited before the police will find a gun. It matters little after someone kills someone who the gun was stolen from or wether it was reported or not. Besides the fact that most people report their guns being stolen.
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Old 12-17-2008, 07:37 AM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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As it should be, things protected by state & federal constitutions should not be at the mercy of smaller municipal govt's. What good is a constitution if some village elder can over ride it at a whim.



Bullcrap. Handguns need NICS aproval for all transfers. Kids under 18 cannot be sold firearms. Assault weapons have a plethora of their own restrictions you probably havent a clue about.



Thats a good one. The technology doesn't exist in a usable form. I think only CA actually passed it. Its about as stupid as putting a cars vin number on the front bumper so it would imprint on victims of hit & runs.
We dont have trouble aprehending criminals. We have trouble incarcerating them.



No it wouldn't. They will just report them stolen after they sell them & recieve full protection of the law.

Even if they dont it will in no way deter crime since a crime has to be commited before the police will find a gun. It matters little after someone kills someone who the gun was stolen from or wether it was reported or not. Besides the fact that most people report their guns being stolen.
You do know that you're replying to the Brady Bunch, and not "american joe", right? "Joe" copied and pasted that directly from the Brady website. He has no independent thoughts.
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