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Old 11-16-2008, 12:48 PM
 
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my ruger mini 14 was banned in nyc and thats not even scarey looking.... i had to sell it. the barrel had a cosmetic heat shield and that got it on the banned list... i dont even trade in and out of stuff anymore as it requires 2 days off from work. 1 day to p/u a purchase order at police plaza in nyc, which by the way takes a month to be approved, the next day you have to bring the firearm back to police plaza to be registerd and inspected.
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Old 11-16-2008, 03:25 PM
 
Location: John From Scranton
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Correct......But yet they consider them to assault weapons because they use a .223 round.....The bottom pic is a Stag ar-15 semi-auto but in 1994 it was considered an assault weapon because of the collapsible stock and a mag that was over 10 rounds.......

They are both semi-auto and they both accept the same magazines.......But yet only one is an assault rifle by gov't standards and because its a .223 the police in the above article think they should be banned....Why not a 7.56mm or the new 6.8mm rounds?

There is an amazing amount of ignorance within some law enforcement and gov't agencies as to what constitutes an assault weapon.

Also anyone that can pass the background check and has the money needed could buy a FULL AUTO and silencers as long as we pay a one-time tax of $200 to the fed gov't....They don't seem to mind as long as they are getting their $$$ do they....
Im not sure but I think you have to be a FFAD, to own a fully auto?
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Old 11-16-2008, 03:27 PM
 
Location: John From Scranton
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You need to shop around, there are still some shops that have decent 9mm at good prices.....Load a mag or two with the hollow points for HD and then use the target rounds for the range and save. Also look into the .22 conversion for glocks, its cheaper in the long run to buy the conversion and shoot .22 all day at the range and save the 9mm for when you need them.



By the way could anyone here please tell me the difference between these two rifles and which one is a assault rifle?


Is that the gun you justed picked up on the bottom pic? Nice AR15!!
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Old 11-16-2008, 03:30 PM
 
Location: southern california
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when the good guys have guns its makes the job of the bad guys much much more difficult.
any means of defending yourself is appropriate if someone is trying to harm you or loved ones inc assault rifles. what is sad in america you can own one, but god help you if you use one.
decriminalize self defense now, ban personal injury suits that occur while in the commmission of a crime. do it now. do this and watch crime take a nose dive and prisons get empty.
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Old 11-16-2008, 03:40 PM
 
Location: John From Scranton
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when the good guys have guns its makes the job of the bad guys much much more difficult.
any means of defending yourself is appropriate if someone is trying to harm you or loved ones inc assault rifles. what is sad in america you can own one, but god help you if you use one.
decriminalize self defense now, ban personal injury suits that occur while in the commmission of a crime. do it now. do this and watch crime take a nose dive and prisons get empty.
Good point! But there's soo many gun's out on the black market, the good guys would all get killed!!!
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Old 11-16-2008, 03:55 PM
 
Location: On the Chesapeake
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Good point! But there's soo many gun's out on the black market, the good guys would all get killed!!!

And this statistic and assumption come from where?

Are "illegal" guns a problem? Yes they are so why don't we start enforcing some of the laws on the books already?

For those of you who poo-poo the realities here's one I've run in to: I've been looking at a particular semi-auto shotgun, a "hunting" gun, for awhile. Since Nov. 4 the manufacturer has increased the price by 25%, that's from the web-site, I don't know yet what individual gunshops have done since none carry this maker in my area.
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Old 11-16-2008, 04:06 PM
 
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its not a question of poo pooing, its that the buy now before its to late y2k (remember that armageddon prediction) hysteria has driven up the prices. once reality sets in that nothings changing once again prices will all drop


just checked on natchez where i usually order and ammo prices are pretty much what they were
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Old 11-16-2008, 05:48 PM
 
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Im not sure but I think you have to be a FFAD, to own a fully auto?
Nope......You have to buy them from a NFA class III dealer....Pay the $200 one time gun tax to the feds and pass the background check and assorted gov't documents. Process takes about 2-4 months and it has to be registerd under your name with the NFA...


Here is a link and a quote....

Owning or making an NFA weapon

It is illegal for anyone to have possession of an NFA weapon
that is not registered to them in the NFA Registry. It is also
not possible for anyone, except government entities, to register an
existing NFA weapon that is not registered, except immediately
after one is made by a class 2 NFA manufacturer. An individual
otherwise able to own any gun under federal law can receive and
own any NFA weapon (local law permitting, ATF cannot approve a
transfer where federal, state or local law would be
violated by
the transferee possessing the weapon in question, see 26 USC sec.
5812(a)(6)) on a Form 4, "Application for Tax Paid Transfer and
Registration of Firearm". Non-FFL holders may only purchase an
NFA weapon from a dealer or individual within their own state.
If the weapon is located out of state it must be transferred to a
class 3 dealer within the state, before transfer to the non FFL
purchaser. C&R FFL holders (type 03) may purchase C&R NFA guns
from out of state dealers and individuals. Type 01 FFL holders
may purchase any fully transferrable (no dealer samples, see
below) NFA weapon, from an out of state source. If the FFL
holder is an individual he must submit fingerprints, photograph,
and the law enforcement certification.

The transfer involves paying the transfer tax, which is $200
for all the NFA weapons,
except AOW's for which the tax is a
mere $5. Individuals also have to get one of several specified
local chief law enforcement officers to sign the form (see the
section on the law enforcement certification for more
information), submit their fingerprints in duplicate, and attach
photos of the transferee to the form.
While the transfer tax is
levied by law on the transferor (seller), in practice the
transferee (buyer) is expected to pay the tax. Transfers to
individuals tend to take at least 4 months, although subsequent
transfers can be quicker.
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Old 11-16-2008, 05:51 PM
 
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Is that the gun you justed picked up on the bottom pic? Nice AR15!!
The pic is the left hand version.
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Old 11-16-2008, 07:03 PM
 
Location: John From Scranton
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Lightbulb Thanks!!

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Nope......You have to buy them from a NFA class III dealer....Pay the $200 one time gun tax to the feds and pass the background check and assorted gov't documents. Process takes about 2-4 months and it has to be registerd under your name with the NFA...


Here is a link and a quote....

Owning or making an NFA weapon

It is illegal for anyone to have possession of an NFA weapon
that is not registered to them in the NFA Registry. It is also
not possible for anyone, except government entities, to register an
existing NFA weapon that is not registered, except immediately
after one is made by a class 2 NFA manufacturer. An individual
otherwise able to own any gun under federal law can receive and
own any NFA weapon (local law permitting, ATF cannot approve a
transfer where federal, state or local law would be violated by
the transferee possessing the weapon in question, see 26 USC sec.
5812(a)(6)) on a Form 4, "Application for Tax Paid Transfer and
Registration of Firearm". Non-FFL holders may only purchase an
NFA weapon from a dealer or individual within their own state.
If the weapon is located out of state it must be transferred to a
class 3 dealer within the state, before transfer to the non FFL
purchaser. C&R FFL holders (type 03) may purchase C&R NFA guns
from out of state dealers and individuals. Type 01 FFL holders
may purchase any fully transferrable (no dealer samples, see
below) NFA weapon, from an out of state source. If the FFL
holder is an individual he must submit fingerprints, photograph,
and the law enforcement certification.

The transfer involves paying the transfer tax, which is $200
for all the NFA weapons, except AOW's for which the tax is a
mere $5. Individuals also have to get one of several specified
local chief law enforcement officers to sign the form (see the
section on the law enforcement certification for more
information), submit their fingerprints in duplicate, and attach
photos of the transferee to the form. While the transfer tax is
levied by law on the transferor (seller), in practice the
transferee (buyer) is expected to pay the tax. Transfers to
individuals tend to take at least 4 months, although subsequent
transfers can be quicker.
Thanks, for the info. Im going to have to look into this a bit more. I'd like to add something with a bit more kick to what I already have! Something very nice to know about indeed.
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