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Old 12-28-2008, 06:46 PM
 
Location: Washington DC
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I asked for the evidence that humans are causing global warming...this isn't evidence.
You are correct. This is not the evidence. The evidence comes from the models that predict global temperatures as a function of solar activity, earth orbit, GHG concentrations, etc. Those models show the various contribution of natural and anthropogenic gases to the rise in temperature over the last 100 years or so. That's the evidence.
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Old 12-28-2008, 06:47 PM
 
Location: Charleston, WV
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Good website -- lots of info, claims to be unbiased and present both sides of the coin. Facts about Climate Change Science, truth from consensus and climate change skeptics

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When the news broke of the Arctic ice being at its 30 year low in 2007, the same source (U. of Illinois) reported the Antarctic at its record high, but this was not reported in the media.
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Old 12-28-2008, 06:51 PM
 
Location: Pittsburgh
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You are correct. This is not the evidence. The evidence comes from the models that predict global temperatures as a function of solar activity, earth orbit, GHG concentrations, etc. Those models show the various contribution of natural and anthropogenic gases to the rise in temperature over the last 100 years or so. That's the evidence.
A whole 100 years? We can't predict the what the weather will be like tomorrow, but we can predict the effects of CO2 on global temperature? Anyway, I'd like to see some articles.
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Old 12-28-2008, 06:54 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Because in Europe the effects of warming on people are much more apparent.
Your list of the apparent effects of GW doesn't go back far enough. You must include when Greenland was actually a green paradise instead of a hunk of ice, or when Canada was a tropical jungle, or when there was a glacier half-way down the NA continent.

Who/what caused the ''change" then?

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That's the evidence.
Models are not evidence of anything. These are just predictions. There is NO empirical evidence that links climate change to man. None.

Find me some.
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Old 12-28-2008, 06:54 PM
 
Location: Washington DC
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A whole 100 years? Anyway, I'd like to see some articles.
Most of the impact has been in the last 100 year. Thus is the way that exponential increases work. For further reading I'd recommend the IPCC reports. They are on line.
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Old 12-28-2008, 06:55 PM
 
Location: Pittsburgh
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Models are not evidence of anything. These are just predictions. There is NO empirical evidence that links climate change to man. None.

Find me some.
We can't predict the weather, but we can predict climate change apparently and it's a fact!
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Old 12-28-2008, 06:57 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Most of the impact has been in the last 100 year.
It is truly amazing that anyone can make this claim, especially considering any intelligent human being would know that our "climate" has been much more extreme on both ends of the spectrum in the past. We, in this time, are not even close to the severity of extreme climate change this planet has experienced.

Tell me; what is the optimum temperature of the earth?
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Old 12-28-2008, 07:00 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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We can't predict the weather, but we can predict climate change apparently and it's a fact!
And 50 years out, at that! The absurdity would be laughable, if not for the fact how many people in positions of power and authority (those that spend the world's money) have bought into the hoax.
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Old 12-28-2008, 07:02 PM
 
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There are real environmental issues to worry about: Mercury in fish, deforestation, dead zones in the coastal waters, pesticides, hormone disruptors in our water, lead in the air, bays and estuaries that can't support life. Global warming is alarmist and may sell to the hysteria prone, but it has not been proven to be caused by man, at least not more than minimally.
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Old 12-28-2008, 07:09 PM
 
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All those who don't care about the planet should be shipped to the arctic so they can live on the water that was frozen LAST YEAR.
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