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Realistically, 'the gay issues' are irrelevant. I can tell you exactly what will happen with those in the future - in about 25 years, gay marriage will be legal in the United States, for the simple reason that it has overwhelming support among people under 30. Attitudes have been liberalizing for a long, long time - since the 1950's, really. Voting on that issue is simply pointless, because you can't stop macrohistory.
Now, some issued can be voted on and changed. But "gay issues?" Not one of them. Not over time.
I was a lifelong Democrat and started voting Republican because of the gay issues.
You were a lifelong democrat? Yet you invite your kids and their friends into your home and show them political videos on why liberals are the root of all evil?
Lifelong democrats voting republican because of "gay issues" wouldn't do this.
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You were a lifelong democrat? Yet you invite your kids and their friends into your home and show them political videos on why liberals are the root of all evil?
Lifelong democrats voting republican because of "gay issues" wouldn't do this.
This one did and does. Also I show teens the other side since only one side of an issue is promoted while silencing the opposing views and true facts. Teens like hearing both sides and making up their own mind instead of having it made up for them. Real freedom of information and freedom of speech is great!
This one did and does. Also I show teens the other side since only one side of an issue is promoted while silencing the opposing views and true facts. Teens like hearing both sides and making up their own mind instead of having it made up for them. Real freedom of information and freedom of speech is great!
Funny, I remember you posting a political video and described it as if it were the only one you show your kids (in your words, look it up) ... of course, it was bashing liberals. Actually, it had nothing to do with these 'gay issues' you speak of. And nowhere on that thread did you say you show them both sides.
Please post us the video you show these teenagers that bashes on conservatives so they can "make up their own mind."
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Funny, I remember you posting a political video and described it as if it were the only one you show your kids (in your words, look it up) ... of course, it was bashing liberals. Actually, it had nothing to do with these 'gay issues' you speak of. And nowhere on that thread did you say you show them both sides.
Please post us the video you show these teenagers that bashes on conservatives so they can "make up their own mind."
Well Jeremy we would have to start another thread or get marks for being off topic. Back to: Why did the southern states vote for Bush? I never liked Bush but I could no longer vote for a Democrat because of social issues I am totally against.
Realistically, 'the gay issues' are irrelevant. I can tell you exactly what will happen with those in the future - in about 25 years, gay marriage will be legal in the United States, for the simple reason that it has overwhelming support among people under 30. Attitudes have been liberalizing for a long, long time - since the 1950's, really. Voting on that issue is simply pointless, because you can't stop macrohistory.
Now, some issued can be voted on and changed. But "gay issues?" Not one of them. Not over time.
Very true, and in the meantime some people are trying to convince us that our country is getting more Conservative...
Very true, and in the meantime some people are trying to convince us that our country is getting more Conservative...
Well, we have two things merging here as a single point of view, perhaps inaccurately. Young folks are clearly more supportive of gay rights, the polling validates that. It could mean the legalization of gay marriage, but these folks in large numbers could evolve away from that point of view as they age.
My point of view is that the specific rights they seek, such as being covered in health insurance policies as a partner, property rights as a surviving partner and adoption, will become commonplace and accepted by society. I think marriage as an institution will always be reserved for the current relationships, with gay folks given an alternative process providing much of the same rights and obligations, but not all (don't know which would be excluded, Social Security Survivor Benefits may be an example).
Remember, the vast majority of adults today grew up in a very drug open culture, yet most still favor keeping drugs illegal. So just because a young person supports one thing, doesn't mean they retain that point of view over the long term.
It's not only because of the gay marriage question, and that's really only a small part of one larger issue. The south tends to be more supportive of the military and national defense, does not want large government and high taxes (although that's all relative right now) and tends to be more conservative on social questions in general, not only gay marriage. You also have to factor in the influence that John Kerry had on voters in the south. He did not seem to be guided by any principle other than being elected, and that lack of compass in itself goes against the more traditional values in the south.
It's not only because of the gay marriage question, and that's really only a small part of one larger issue. The south tends to be more supportive of the military and national defense, does not want large government and high taxes (although that's all relative right now) and tends to be more conservative on social questions in general, not only gay marriage. You also have to factor in the influence that John Kerry had on voters in the south. He did not seem to be guided by any principle other than being elected, and that lack of compass in itself goes against the more traditional values in the south.
The Kerry observation probably was a key in costing him any more midwest states, I think the south has enough Christian Conservative influence that Bush gets a head start out of the gate against any Democrat.
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