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Old 01-31-2009, 02:38 PM
 
Location: Harrisonville
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Im sorry but if you dont believe climate change is a hoax you live under a rock

Right, and if you review all 26 or so urban legends deniers (excuse me, "skeptics") endlessly repeat, taken together they are mutually exclusive and add up to nothing. It is after all they who have wailed like newborn babes that we need better models, ever since the accidentally learned of the 100 year old problem from their arch nemesis Al Gore. There really isn't any question about the new jobs being created by the growth of clean renewable energy. It's just one more example of how new capital can be created in an industrial society. Obama has the job of making it happen and the proto-nazi deniers have made more concrete climate modelling an absolute necessity in order to create the jobs as well as to solve the problem.

With Bush in power we had no choice about arguing with them about the reality of AGW. We had to argue about creationism, abstinence, and had he decreed it we'd have had to argue whether the sky was blue or whether the ocean was wet. We don't have to do this anymore. With the government backing science once again, these thugs need to be kicked to the curb, and quickly.

Climate change: A guide for the perplexed - environment - 16 May 2007 - New Scientist


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BBC NEWS | Special Reports | 629 | 629 | Climate scepticism: The top 10


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Old 01-31-2009, 02:45 PM
 
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Here is factoid from the global warming fanatics...

If CO2 levels decrease, and temperature goes up... its due to man-made global warming...

If CO2 levels increase, and temperature goes up.... same thing

If CO2 levels decrease, and temperature goes down... same thing

If CO2 levels increase and temperature goes down.... same thing

If CO2 levels stay the same and temperature goes down or up.... same thing

If CO2 levels stay the same and temperature stays the same..... same thing

So who now believes in global warming? Cause CO2 can do ANYTHING and temperature can do ANYTHING... net results is that global warming is caused by man-made CO2... that's magical science for you...
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Old 01-31-2009, 02:54 PM
 
Location: Harrisonville
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Here is factoid from the global warming fanatics...

If CO2 levels decrease, and temperature goes up... its due to man-made global warming...

If CO2 levels increase, and temperature goes up.... same thing

If CO2 levels decrease, and temperature goes down... same thing

If CO2 levels increase and temperature goes down.... same thing

If CO2 levels stay the same and temperature goes down or up.... same thing

If CO2 levels stay the same and temperature stays the same..... same thing

So who now believes in global warming? Cause CO2 can do ANYTHING and temperature can do ANYTHING... net results is that global warming is caused by man-made CO2... that's magical science for you...

No, that's babble. And its not from them, its from you.
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Old 01-31-2009, 03:09 PM
 
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This from the National Geographic News

In 2005 data from NASA's Mars Global Surveyor and Odyssey missions revealed that the carbon dioxide "ice caps" near Mars's south pole had been diminishing for three summers in a row..

I guess our friendly green little men are not as green as we thought...and you can't blame it on "BIG BAD OIL"


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Old 01-31-2009, 03:11 PM
 
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No, that's babble. And its not from them, its from you.
Nope... then tell me... CO2 in relation to temperature just as I formatted.. which one will DISPROVE that man-made CO2 causes temperature increases? Which one...? Or are is that too complex for you? WHICH ones will disprove it? WHICH?
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Old 01-31-2009, 04:05 PM
 
Location: Central Maine
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Foloowing the link above, there's also:

Global Warming to Create "Permanent" Ocean Dead Zones? - Jan. 28, 2009.

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Fish and other marine life could be left gasping for breath in oxygen-poor oceans for thousands of years to come if global warming continues unchecked, scientists warn in a new study.

While previous studies have established a link between climate change and low-oxygen areas known as "dead zones," new computer simulations by Danish researchers suggest the dead zones could persist for millennia and lead to a considerable purge and restructuring of ocean life.
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Old 01-31-2009, 05:24 PM
 
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Even if climate change is a fraud, why would you want to continue to support an infrastructure that thrives on non-renewable resources?
What will we do when all the oil runs out or when gas is $6? I'm sure people will be wanting alternatives.
Why would you not want to support technology that doesn't make air pollution worse?
I could go on and on but I won't.....

If only there was a smiley that shook its head.
I support a lot of environmental ideas. If the climate change crap is a fraud, then we will waste billions upon billions worrying about CO2, an organic gas that does not harm humans at all to breathe up until around 15,000ppm. What if we weren't wasting money on Al Gore fraud investments (like the one he went to lobby for in the snow last week) and we spent that money all on combating REAL pollutants like SPMs, VOCs, etc, and groundwater contamination? That would be much better than wasting time and efforts fighting something we aren't 100% sure about whether or not we are causing, and are FAR LESS sure of if our strongest efforts would do anything at all. Keep in mind the only people promising we can "solve this crisis" are people whose pockets will be heavily lined by solving it. Its time to kick the enirocommies to the curb and focus on real environmental issues instead.
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Old 01-31-2009, 05:38 PM
 
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There's a blizzard forecast for Groundhog's Day this Tuesday morning, watch it on the Weather Channel( unless you can get a real weather channel where you live).
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Old 01-31-2009, 06:04 PM
 
Location: NC
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There is so much variance in surface temperature that blizzards and heat waves will happen regardless of CO2 levels. The problem is the effects global warming will have on ocean currents and percipitation. If Ocean temperatures and salinity change even slightly it could have huge effects on climate. It could turn savannah land into dessert, which is occuring on the fringes of the Sahara, and if a good amount of the ice in Greenland melts it could also lead a change in salinity of the North Atlantic, which could mess up the jet stream. The fact of the matter is that carbon dioxide levels are on the rise according to the measurements we have. Carbon dioxide traps heat in the atmosphere, and human use of coal and other fossel fuels since the 19th century are fueling these rises as we know from ice core samples. You have to either not care about science at all, which would not suprise me considering a fair amount of CD posters view evolution as controversial, or you have to have been completely oblivous to the related news for the past several years to not know this. Climate change in some form is occuring and human produced greenhouse gases such as CO2 are part of the problem.
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Old 02-01-2009, 01:33 AM
 
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Of course, if we were really serious about spending money on climate change, it might be a good example to follow the Netherlands example and invest in the infrastructure that might delay the inevitable effects it will have on coastal cities.
Nobody will ever do this because it is too expensive. The climate has been changing on this planet ever since it was created. If the volcano in Alaska goes off, then things will cool down for a few years.

Really funny to run into this political forum on city-data. In regards for cities, it's laughable to see cities like Flagstaff, AZ trying to curb their greenhouse gas emissions when they're in the middle of nowhere here in the Pines in northern Arizona. I'm sure that here in northern AZ that we emit more greenhouse gases from controlled burns than from vehicles. You see, it's all about image for recruiting tourists to places like Flagstaff.

As Lou Dobbs has been correctly stating lately, there's really nothing that 5 billion people can suddenly start doing to stop climate change. Al Gore is wasting his time. If Gore was a true liberal, then he would be spending his time and money on starting a Living Wage campaign in every city, like they have in Santa, Fe, NM ($10/hr).
If the City of Flagstaff officials were true liberals, they would have raised their minimum wage to $12/hour by now (cost of living here 20% higher than our twin Mountain city of Santa Fe).
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