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Old 04-30-2009, 10:56 AM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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Would you rather have your medical history available instantly to the ER doc or take a risk? The answer is pretty clear to me, personally.
I'll take the "risk" thanks.
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Old 04-30-2009, 11:02 AM
 
Location: Pennsylvania, USA
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Do you want someone other than YOUR physican to have access to your Medical Records TM?

For if you put them in the format now proposed, the system is subject to being "hacked" by persons unknown and they will have access - perhaps for identity theft reasons etc.

And remember - the most secure sites on the planet - the CIA and Pentagon, have been hacked.

What could anyone possibly do with medical records? Employers can't get them.. now or ever... even if they are on a "database". I think it's paranoid delusion to think that an employer would.

The ONLY reason an employer would discriminate is to keep only "healthy" individuals on their roles so as not to raise their insurance premium rates.. LOL. but even THAT is a stretch.

Far more damage is done with your SS number and credit card numbers than could EVER be done because of your medical records Insurance companies already have access to your information.. and they are the ONLY entity who's can use your medical information against you.

No.. I'll be happy to put my information digitally and readily available for all doctors and professionals to have access to that need it. Already our most sensative information. . far more detrimental to us than our medical records, is digital .. I see no problem with it.
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Old 04-30-2009, 12:01 PM
 
Location: London UK & Florida USA
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It's in there....people better call their congresmen and senators and tell them, "GET THIS OUT OF THIS BILL NOW".

People, this is not a good thing. Why do you think they are sneaking it in? Obama gets up and says " oh let's modernize health care records" and everyone bobs their heads.....

If this was so good then they would have openly been discussing it.

Get ready to be told what treatment you can get, what tests you can have, what medication you can have. You get angry when you get the generic pills instead of the name brand at the pharmacy, well, how will you feel when you are denied an EKG because you are only allowed to have 1 per year? Or you can't have an MRI because the gov't 's recommedations says an Xray is good enough.

Wait til you aren't allowed to be life flighted because the gov't feels it is not necessary.

If they want to control welfare people, let them. But now they are stepping into the private sector and telling us what we can and cannot have done.
Where do you get this stupid idea of what a Govt. run health care system is like????

NO you aren't given generic drugs over named drugs.
NO you aren't denied a EKG or limited to one a year ( these limitations are normally on private health policies)
NO you do not have a MRI because an xray is good enough. a MRI is given when it is deemed to be the best tool for the job.
NO you aren't refused to be airlifted because the Gov't says so.

These unfounded and idiotic ideas of a UHC System are what is being used to try to scare the American public into thinking a UHC doesn't work as well as a the current Private Health Systenm in America.

The Govt. does Not decide on ANY of the day to day running of a UHC. This is done by the Health Providers Doctors, Nurses, Technicians etc.
The Govt puts guidlines in place so that there are no Rogue practitioners trying to fleece their patients or give them sub standard care.

Living in the USA and the UK i have used both Systems. I can tell you from actual experience and not gossip that a UHC works well. is inexpensive to the public and is NOT dictated to by the Govt.

Please get your facts right before doing what sooooo many on here do.... Argue against a system that they have absolutely no idea in any way of how it runs.
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Old 04-30-2009, 12:11 PM
 
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Where do you get this stupid idea of what a Govt. run health care system is like????

NO you aren't given generic drugs over named drugs.
NO you aren't denied a EKG or limited to one a year ( these limitations are normally on private health policies)
NO you do not have a MRI because an xray is good enough. a MRI is given when it is deemed to be the best tool for the job.
NO you aren't refused to be airlifted because the Gov't says so.

These unfounded and idiotic ideas of a UHC System are what is being used to try to scare the American public into thinking a UHC doesn't work as well as a the current Private Health Systenm in America.

The Govt. does Not decide on ANY of the day to day running of a UHC. This is done by the Health Providers Doctors, Nurses, Technicians etc.
The Govt puts guidlines in place so that there are no Rogue practitioners trying to fleece their patients or give them sub standard care.

Living in the USA and the UK i have used both Systems. I can tell you from actual experience and not gossip that a UHC works well. is inexpensive to the public and is NOT dictated to by the Govt.

Please get your facts right before doing what sooooo many on here do.... Argue against a system that they have absolutely no idea in any way of how it runs.
"is inexpensive to the public"

Then who's paying for it ?

And tell us how we will pay for here.

You do understand that the government does not own the hospitals and equipment in them don't you? Except for the VA and department of defense hospitals.

And I do think something needs to be done... But it wont be cheap.
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Old 04-30-2009, 12:19 PM
 
Location: Pennsylvania, USA
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"is inexpensive to the public"

Then who's paying for it ?

And tell us how we will pay for here.

You do understand that the government does not own the hospitals and equipment in them don't you? Except for the VA and department of defense hospitals.

And I do think something needs to be done... But it wont be cheap.

The tax paid for it is 11% of your income by the individual and I believe it is 12% by employers into the health fund in UK.

Now.. consider that an average family of 4 at the average salary of $56K in the U.S.. health insurance costs for that family in premiums ALONE is 20% or more!!! That doesn't include copays, deductables and any out of pocket expenses.

PLUS UK has a far less GDP spending on healthcare than the U.S U.K is at around 8% Us is more than 15%. The second highest nation of GDP in healthcare spending is Switzerland at around the 11% mark.

Health Care Spending
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Old 04-30-2009, 12:21 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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Trying to compare the UK to the US is like trying to compare an orange to hamburger
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Old 04-30-2009, 12:22 PM
 
Location: Pennsylvania, USA
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Trying to compare the UK to the US is like trying to compare an orange to hamburger

Whatever GD.. I don't believe it is at all..

just another excuse of why we can't do it.. it's silly.. ridiculous nonsense.

they have a very similar economy to ours (mixed economy).. there numbers are larger but.. but then so are ours.. that just means we have more doctors and potential doctors with our population. That also means we have more people also contributing into the tax and a larger distribution pool.

But you go ahead and keep making the same tired excuse.

They certainly do it smarter than we are for sure.. for they spend half their GDP on healthcare and have no uninsured... Switzerland manages to do it.. although there's is closer to our GDP but less by about 4% and they have over 98% of their population "insured" with those uninsured fined for not having insurance.
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Old 04-30-2009, 12:25 PM
 
Location: London UK & Florida USA
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When the NHS was set up in the UK, the Govt didn't own the Hospitals Either. The Country was nearly bankrupt from the war and was in a far worse position than the USA is right now.
Money can be used from Taxation. Instead of trillions going to rebuild Iraq ( who is now getting a better health system than America with American Dollars)
Instead of paying Trillions of dollars each month to give the now Private Health Companies that run the Health care in the USA the gold plated lifestyle that their CEO'S thrive on, put it into a Hospital building scheme run by each individual State.
If money can be found to fund a enourmous space programme or a expensive war in Iraq, are you telling me that money cannot be found to build much needed Hospitals?
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Old 04-30-2009, 12:29 PM
 
Location: Pennsylvania, USA
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When the NHS was set up in the UK, the Govt didn't own the Hospitals Either. The Country was nearly bankrupt from the war and was in a far worse position than the USA is right now.
Money can be used from Taxation. Instead of trillions going to rebuild Iraq ( who is now getting a better health system than America with American Dollars)
Instead of paying Trillions of dollars each month to give the now Private Health Companies that run the Health care in the USA the gold plated lifestyle that their CEO'S thrive on, put it into a Hospital building scheme run by each individual State.
If money can be found to fund a enourmous space programme or a expensive war in Iraq, are you telling me that money cannot be found to build much needed Hospitals?

How sad the "we can't" attitude of many.. If we had said that during the Revolutionary War .. when the odds were stacked against the U.S.. we would never have been the U.S (but then again.. maybe we'd have the same system of healthcare you have..LOL .. )..

Great to see you back.. haven't seen you around in awhile!
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Old 04-30-2009, 12:32 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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What the Congress is going to propose will result in RETAINING the current health insurance companies - allowing them to sell across state lines - which will result in lower premiums (substantial)

There will be tort reform caping punitive damage awards

There will be a requirement to cover pre-existing conditions - allowing the insurance companies to "surcharge" the premium

There will also be provisions to allow, not mandate, buying into the federal system

There will be provisions to subsidize insurance for lower income individuals / families

But, health insurance will remain OPTIONAL and not mandated.
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