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The South had no business seceding from the U.S. And the question of whether secession is legal very much depends on one's interpretation of the Constitution. Legal scholars are still battling it out.
What is your thinking of the Declaration of Independence then? The south was doing exactly what the original colonies were doing w/ Great Britain...of course had they not won the Revolutionary War, well, they all would have been tried for treason.
The South had no business seceding from the U.S. And the question of whether secession is legal very much depends on one's interpretation of the Constitution. Legal scholars are still battling it out.
If Southerners wanted to secede they had every right to do so.
The only question to hash out is whether the people must decide it or the state legislature may do it. The 10th Amendment very clearly reserves the power to the states or the people. Secession is not prohibited in the Constitution. The only thing that can be debated is the proper way to go about it.
Not exactly, he is much more of a Liberatarion...he is actually is highly critical of the Bush administration, especially when it comes to the Patriot Act (the largest assault on the constition since FDR), and on the current rendition type programs. He is a true defender of the original intent of the U.S. Constitution...of course if you only think b/c he's a Fox News contributor he's a right wing fascist, you're sadly mistaking.
You state this like you know what "the true intent of the U.S. Constitution" was. The Constitution--like the Bible--is up for interpretation. And, like the Bible, one can reference it to make pretty much any case one wants to, when it comes to ambiguities in its wording.
Lincoln is Obama's personal hero. Obama has read MUCH of what Lincoln wrote and said, I am sure. Obama is a Constitutional Law scholar. I think that if half of what you allege is true, Obama would know it, don't you?
That's a very illogical argument, and in fact, a logical fallacy. Just because Obama likes Lincoln doesn't mean Lincoln was good. Lincoln's crimes are well documented.
If Southerners wanted to secede they had every right to do so.
The only question to hash out is whether the people must decide it or the state legislature may do it. The 10th Amendment very clearly reserves the power to the states or the people. Secession is not prohibited in the Constitution. The only thing that can be debated is the proper way to go about it.
They may have, they may not have. One thing they didn't have the right to do was to enslave human beings. Their motive for secession was to retain slavery. They should have been attacked.
What is your thinking of the Declaration of Independence then? The south was doing exactly what the original colonies were doing w/ Great Britain...of course had they not won the Revolutionary War, well, they all would have been tried for treason.
The colonists wanted to free themselves from the tyranny of a monarchy.
The South wanted to protect their tyranny over slaves.
They may have, they may not have. One thing they didn't have the right to do was to enslave human beings. Their motive for secession was to retain slavery. They should have been attacked.
Slavery is quite evil and that is my biggest problem with the South. But it wasn't just a matter of slavery, there was a bigger issue...the size, power, and representation in the federal government. Robert E. Lee was anti-slavery himself.
If they did not have slavery would you still support attacking them?
They may have, they may not have. One thing they didn't have the right to do was to enslave human beings. Their motive for secession was to retain slavery. They should have been attacked.
Did you not read Lincoln's own words? The Civil War was never about slavery...again, his own words state that if he could have "saved" the Union WITHOUT ENDING SLAVERY, he would have. He used that as a reason to expand the Federal Gov't. Many other countries ended slavery peaceably...if he really wanted to end it, they could have paid the slave owners to free the slaves.
BTW, I did vote for Obama, but I didn't do it based on his quoting Lincoln. History seems to be an area where our public schools have failed us by not teaching the real history of what happened.
Slavery is quite evil and that is my biggest problem with the South. But it wasn't just a matter of slavery, there was a bigger issue...the size, power, and representation in the federal government. Robert E. Lee was anti-slavery himself.
If they did not have slavery would you still support attacking them?
Most people that lived in the south were against slavery...in fact, very few people actually owned slaves...plus certain Union states like DE and MD had slaves, and they weren't freed by Lincoln.
Yes, slavery is evil, that's not the point though.
On the other hand, if I was Lincoln I would not want to have the Union collapse under my watch either. Even though it was technically an unconstitutional war, if the South had successfully broken away, who knows how many other states may try the same thing. You would be surprised how many secessionist movements have come and gone over the years.
The original colonies had no intention of being united at the start of the war, the South did not even want to leave Britain at first. The North at the time had no intentions of including the South in their new country....
To say the war was fought over slavery is extremely ignorant. The South was already on the way to dropping slavery before the war even started. The slave trade was banned before the war even started (1840's/1850's). The South was even ready to drop slavery around 1863 in exchange for humanitarian aid from France and Britain...
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