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Old 03-05-2009, 08:27 AM
 
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Since Obama and the elites are in control in DC and they're taking control of the banks and health industry who's to say they wouldn't delete the accounts or siphon off money from people they don't like? Or what about denying medical treatments to people they don't like?

If Bush was in charge and had that power, the liberals would be freaking out. But for some weird reason they trust Obama.
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Old 03-05-2009, 08:30 AM
 
Location: part of the Matrix--for now!
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I have never seen our fellow Americans so angry, frustrated and ready to explode. I was listening to the Glenn Beck show a few days ago and he touched on the subject of a possible Civil War in the next 4 years. I am preparing for the worst, how are you preparing for the coming Civil War?

Yep, you're absolutely right Americans are angry and divided.Obama Poll. Yeah right! Not according to the latest poll. Actually, Americans are united behind Obama, and--like patriotic Americans--are hoping for success.


The only Americans talking about--and hoping for--civil war are far right looney tunes, like the ones writing on this thread. I have one word for you guys:therapy. Go out and get it today, don't wait one second longer, get it now, get it quickly!
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Old 03-05-2009, 08:31 AM
 
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Glenn Beck just wants to sell books. He is an idiot.
Not an idiot. A shrewd manipulator of emotions, perhaps, but not an idiot.
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Old 03-05-2009, 08:41 AM
 
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Yep, you're absolutely right Americans are angry and divided.Obama Poll. Yeah right! Not according to the latest poll. Actually, Americans are united behind Obama, and--like patriotic Americans--are hoping for success.
The poll participants obviously don't watch the news. Poll schmoll. Are you a troll? just kidding. I couldn't resist. Ok, guys-I'm not a kindergartner!! Just trying to stay on the lighter side, though it is hard.
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Old 03-05-2009, 07:57 PM
 
Location: LEAVING CD
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Yep, you're absolutely right Americans are angry and divided.Obama Poll. Yeah right! Not according to the latest poll. Actually, Americans are united behind Obama, and--like patriotic Americans--are hoping for success.


The only Americans talking about--and hoping for--civil war are far right looney tunes, like the ones writing on this thread. I have one word for you guys:therapy. Go out and get it today, don't wait one second longer, get it now, get it quickly!
Hmmm, let me see if I get this, if you look to what could happen and plan for it then you're somehow un-patriotic? Oh, and if you refuse to be led by the (you pick the body part) down the yellow brick road to socialism and actually believe that you should be responsible for your own bills and mortgage then somehow you're hoping for failure? I would ask who's the one who needs therapy, the person who is the leech on society, who believes the government owes them a house,car,healthcare,food etc or the person who thinks people should WORK for what they get and be allowed to fail?
Ok, time to come back from the matrix,put down the xbox controller and see reality for what it really is not an MSNBC show.
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Old 03-05-2009, 11:18 PM
 
Location: State of Superior
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Hmmm, let me see if I get this, if you look to what could happen and plan for it then you're somehow un-patriotic? Oh, and if you refuse to be led by the (you pick the body part) down the yellow brick road to socialism and actually believe that you should be responsible for your own bills and mortgage then somehow you're hoping for failure? I would ask who's the one who needs therapy, the person who is the leech on society, who believes the government owes them a house,car,healthcare,food etc or the person who thinks people should WORK for what they get and be allowed to fail?
Ok, time to come back from the matrix,put down the xbox controller and see reality for what it really is not an MSNBC show.
Are you sure you are not Larry Kudlow ? I do hear He is running for office.
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Old 03-06-2009, 12:04 AM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Hmmm, let me see if I get this, if you look to what could happen and plan for it then you're somehow un-patriotic? Oh, and if you refuse to be led by the (you pick the body part) down the yellow brick road to socialism and actually believe that you should be responsible for your own bills and mortgage then somehow you're hoping for failure? I would ask who's the one who needs therapy, the person who is the leech on society, who believes the government owes them a house,car,healthcare,food etc or the person who thinks people should WORK for what they get and be allowed to fail?
Ok, time to come back from the matrix,put down the xbox controller and see reality for what it really is not an MSNBC show.

I'm beginning to think that this major economic washout may be the catalyst that rids our society of almost all the vestiges of the "cowboy" capitalists. You know, the kind of people who believe in that ancient American religion known as the Cult of the Noble Individual. Who can build a log cabin with a hatchet and a mule, who bring a crop to market with a two-wheeled cart and that same mule, who makes his own soap, butter, cloth, bacon, etc. And who also thinks that it's OK to make outsized bets using Other People's Money that, when they go bad and they still get their massive bonus and options and severance, but elsewhere those decisions lead to increased writeoffs of bad debts, and increased unemployment which means the bank debts are more likely to go bad anyway.

In other words, so many more things in our society are so much more connected to each other and dependent on each other than was ever the case up to now that this kind of rabid and intransigent individualism is in fact an impediment, is antisocial, and is contrary to the skills that will be needed to be a productive person in our society going forward.

That's part of what I think is happening right before our eyes. So it's not surprising that we're hearing a lot of howling and baying at the moon from the paleo-Americans called conservatives.
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Old 03-06-2009, 12:21 AM
 
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Yep, you're absolutely right Americans are angry and divided.Obama Poll. Yeah right! Not according to the latest poll. Actually, Americans are united behind Obama, and--like patriotic Americans--are hoping for success.


The only Americans talking about--and hoping for--civil war are far right looney tunes, like the ones writing on this thread. I have one word for you guys:therapy. Go out and get it today, don't wait one second longer, get it now, get it quickly!

Your post is a good example of why civil war is likely. You liberals hate conservatives for all you're worth. You despise your fellow Americans. Utter contempt, no respect for opinions that aren't liberal, the same as your own.

This country is becoming severely divided, to the point where there is no ability to see eye to eye on anything. You can see it in the liberal media, and liberal talking heads. It's almost hatred now of what they see as "fly over country".
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Old 03-06-2009, 06:38 AM
 
Location: LEAVING CD
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I'm beginning to think that this major economic washout may be the catalyst that rids our society of almost all the vestiges of the "cowboy" capitalists. You know, the kind of people who believe in that ancient American religion known as the Cult of the Noble Individual. Who can build a log cabin with a hatchet and a mule, who bring a crop to market with a two-wheeled cart and that same mule, who makes his own soap, butter, cloth, bacon, etc. And who also thinks that it's OK to make outsized bets using Other People's Money that, when they go bad and they still get their massive bonus and options and severance, but elsewhere those decisions lead to increased writeoffs of bad debts, and increased unemployment which means the bank debts are more likely to go bad anyway.

In other words, so many more things in our society are so much more connected to each other and dependent on each other than was ever the case up to now that this kind of rabid and intransigent individualism is in fact an impediment, is antisocial, and is contrary to the skills that will be needed to be a productive person in our society going forward.

That's part of what I think is happening right before our eyes. So it's not surprising that we're hearing a lot of howling and baying at the moon from the paleo-Americans called conservatives.
I think your mixing your people up. You see you have greedy crooks lumped in with conservatives and people who can actually do for themselves which is not quite correct.
I draw a couple of conclusions from the quoted statement above. One is that you believe in the collective or combine if you will, that being an individual is a bad thing and that we're all responsible for everyone in the nation (or world?) and to not believe this way is antisocial.
The second is a demeaning of anyone who can and is willing to take care of themselves instead of depending on the collective to do it as in one person makes soap and gives it over to the collective, the next person makes whatever and gives it over and so on but no one person should be able to handle everything in his life since this is not supporting the collective "good".
Hmmm, does this smack of communisim? I'll let those who read decide..
As for the first part of the quote, nobody I know (conservative,liberal or libertarian) is happy or pleased with the people who use others money to pillage the economy, no one is happy that these bank crooks keep getting bonuses but then no one is happy that Franks and Dodd as well as other pols on both sides of the fence are still getting their fat as* paychecks after helping to set up the housing mess while getting fat deals of their own.

As a side note, why can't you libs admit and get angry that this started with the government FROM BOTH PARTIES instead of constantly trying to start a class war?
We as citizens should be on the capitol steps with torches demanding better from our supposed leaders not more gimmies and freebies.
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Old 03-06-2009, 07:19 PM
 
Location: Prepperland
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For those who wish to garden in areas with poor soil, one potential solution may be found in this pre-Columbian Amazon discovery.

What makes it so special?
In the Amazon jungle, the acid soil, acrisol, is unsuitable for sustainable agriculture.

Terra preta - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Terra preta ("dark earth" in Portuguese) refers to expanses of very dark, fertile anthropogenic [man made] soils found in the Amazon Basin. It owes
its name to its very high charcoal content. It is also known as "Amazonian dark earth" or "Indian black earth".

Terra preta is characterized by the presence of low-temperature charcoal in high concentrations; of high quantities of pottery shards; of organic matter such as plant residues, animal feces, fish and animal bones and other material; and of nutrients such as nitrogen (N), phosphorus (P), calcium (Ca), zinc (Zn), manganese (Mn). It also shows high levels of microorganic activities and other specific characteristics within its particular ecosystem. It is less prone to leaching than surrounding soils.

Terra preta soils are of pre-Columbian nature and were created by man between ca. 5000 BC–1450 AD. The soil's depth can reach 2 meters (6 feet). Thousands of years after its creation it is reputedly known as self-regenerating at the rate of 1 centimeter per year by the local farmers, and they seek it out for use and for sale as valuable compost.

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In a nutshell, the Amazin' Amazons took poor soil, unsuited for agriculture, and transformed it in an organic powerhouse.

What makes it so good?
No one knows exactly.

In the case of Terra preta, the only possible nutrient sources are primary and secondary. The following components have been found:

1. Human and animal excrements (rich in P and N);
2. Kitchen refuse, such as animal bones and tortoise shells (rich in P and Ca);
3. Ash residue from incomplete combustion (rich in Ca, Mg, K, P and charcoal);
4. Biomass of terrestrial plants (e.g. compost); and
5. Biomass of aquatic plants (e.g. algae).


Possible explanations:
[] Low temperature charcoal from slash and char (instead of slash and burn), allows for a wider range of water absorption and mineral entrapment. Higher carbon content than surrounding soils is also evident.
[] Organic residues from bones (fish and animal) and plant wastes provide a matrix for complex micro organisms.
[] Pottery shards may provide structure, in a soil mostly devoid of rocks. Aeration of the soil may be improved by its presence.

[Note: the Amazonian civilization was wiped out by disease contracted from the first exploration parties. Later explorers found no evidence of the great cities and roads reported by the earlier explorers, and assumed that the "lost civilization of the Amazon" was a myth.]
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