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So, when laissez-faire capitalism officially drives the prevailing wage below poverty level, how, exactly, do you propose to keep the rioting starving, sickly, indentured servant class at bay? Louis XVI called, and he would love to hear your answer on that one.
Capitalism ALWAYS depends on "nannyism" to placate the underclass it creates. Period. If you do not give handouts to them, they will revolt, protest, and riot, and will find ways to redistribute the wealth forcibly.
I'm sorry but the picture you paint of "starving sickly servent class" only ever happened in a dictatorship or a communist/socialist countries. there has never been such a class in the usa (except during the dark days of black slavery)
I don't know anymore. I'm conservative. When Republicans pork up the budget with earmarks and show zero leadership and when the Democrats take away my personal decisions in favor of a totalitarian-like government state and think everyone is entitled to everything, I'm starting to have no use for either/any party.
I never lumped you personally together with anyone, I was speaking of the downside of Libertarianism, and you came to its defense. The discussion was not about you, it was about libertarianism.
Second, Wikepedia, in my opinion, holds far more water then any encylopedia or article on earth. Why? Because its peer edited. I can read an article from CNN, or Encyclopedia Britannica, and what is that? Its the complete point of view and sometimes opinion of the author.
Additionally, Wikepedia routinely cites multitudes of sources, while single party articles rarely cite anything.
Finally, Wikipedia provides a compacted source for information. I could have went through the Libertarian Party website, and tons of Libertarian papers and articles, and quoted the same principles, and Ive done this in past arguments against Libertarianism on other boards, in past times, but I felt the Wikepedia article on it summed it all up in a few paragraphs.
Think whatever you want, but this directly contradicts the attitude of 99% of scholars and academics out there.
I'm sorry but the picture you paint of "starving sickly servent class" only ever happened in a dictatorship or a communist/socialist countries. there has never been such a class in the usa (except during the dark days of black slavery)
Sure there has, check out the late 1800's until the 1930's, something called the US Industrial Revolution, which is ironically, the last point in time the US Gini index was so high.
However, as a result of that, to placate the workman who began to organize, protest and riot, the US started passing pro-working man legislation. The workman became content to work for slave wages in some hope of rising up. It was ok for a while, because US capitalism was in its infancy. You could set up a record store, or a deli on the corner, and succeed. Capitalism in its infancy provides countless opportunities.
In its mature stages, as the US is in, there is little chance for anyone to rise up. Huge impenetrable conglomerates are controlling and dominating almost every industry, which leaves little room for entrance in the market. Workmen now are turned on eachother at the expense of themselves. Unions are busted, wages driven down, education costs are astronomical, and are becoming neccessary to even find employment in the lower middle class wage bands. People are often now dependent on some form of government subsidy to live this type of lifestyle.
If the US removed things such as, a Federal Minumum Wage, Food Stamps, Welfare, Medicare, social security, free public education, subsidized public transportation and housing and every other program floating the working slave class, such as the Libertarian Party advocates, the masses of poor who depend on these things to survive would be starving and homeless, as they are in most capitalist states that do not have such welfare.
Yeah, considering 99% of scholars and academics probably contributed to a wikepedia article or were referenced or quoted in a wikepedia article.
By the way, who, exactly, qualified you to speak for any scholars or academics?
I just graduated from college less than a year ago and am still friends with more than a few professors. My girlfriend is in medical school, I have three friends I talk to at least every other day who are currently in the middle of PhD programs and I just applied to graduate school. Everyone I just listed is not allowed to use Wikipedia for any serious research.
If you won't accept that as a good enough reason then there is really nothing more for me to say.
I just graduated from college less than a year ago and am still friends with more than a few professors. My girlfriend is in medical school, I have three friends I talk to at least every other day who are currently in the middle of PhD programs and I just applied to graduate school. Everyone I just listed is not allowed to use Wikipedia for any serious research.
If you won't accept that as a good enough reason then there is really nothing more for me to say.
At one point in time, computers werent allowed. Now everything must be typed. At one point in time, calculators werent allowed. Now first graders have ti-85's. At one point in time, nothing from the internet was accepted as legitimate. Now, whole papers are constructed with only internet sources.
Because wikepedia is currently not accepted as legit for grading purposes, does not mean that it doesnt have any credibility.
The largest reason for it not being accepted, is that it can be edited by any body, which could, in theory, allow the author of the research project, to make up facts, post them on wikepedia, and then simply use his made up facts as support for his thesis, before a qualified, legit, expert on the field could get to the article and take apart its legitamacy.
Ironically though, dont you find it the slightest bit hypocritical, that a professor would allow a book, which is essentially, a big giant wikepedia article, but only written, edited and reviewed by one person, to be a legit source, but not a universal article available for review and editing by all.
At one point in time, computers werent allowed. Now everything must be typed. At one point in time, calculators werent allowed. Now first graders have ti-85's. At one point in time, nothing from the internet was accepted as legitimate. Now, whole papers are constructed with only internet sources.
Because wikepedia is currently not accepted as legit for grading purposes, does not mean that it doesnt have any credibility.
The largest reason for it not being accepted, is that it can be edited by any body, which could, in theory, allow the author of the research project, to make up facts, post them on wikepedia, and then simply use his made up facts as support for his thesis, before a qualified, legit, expert on the field could get to the article and take apart its legitamacy.
Ironically though, dont you find it the slightest bit hypocritical, that a professor would allow a book, which is essentially, a big giant wikepedia article, but only written, edited and reviewed by one person, to be a legit source, but not a universal article available for review and editing by all.
Thats pretty funny to me.
Think whatever you want...it seems you are writing based on nothing more than your own personal opinion and you definitely are never going to chance your mind...I am done with this thread. Enjoy being 'right'!
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