What recommendation other than lowering taxes would you suggest (illegal, drugs, marijuana)

[GOPATTA2D]

Why do I bother?

Originally Posted by ovcatto

Health care is one of the largest competitive disadvantages faced by American companies. Unlike European firms, health care cost is a disproportionate labor cost. By lowering the cost of health care and insure that every American has ACCESS to it, lowers overall costs.

If you put an ounce of Peanut Butter in the middle of your sandwich, or spread an ounce carefully over the entire piece of bread, you still used an ounce of Peanut Butter.

Originally Posted by ovcatto

Oh, puleeeze, there is no consensus even within the U.S. Chamber of Commerce that cap and trade is anti business, in point of fact it is very advantageous for just as many as it is disadvantageous to others.

Apparently business owners and investors disagree. Refer to the stock market for further clarification.

Originally Posted by ovcatto

If that only made sense there would be something to agree or disagree with.

Obama is asking Americans to cut back and sacrifice - why doesn't he ask America to sacrifice? You know, Uncle Sam...he should cut his spending too!

Originally Posted by ovcatto

Too bad economies aren't fox holes. Where to people come up with these silly and amateurish analogies?

For me it was in the military...your mileage may vary.

Originally Posted by ovcatto

I believe that is part of the program, see Iraq.

Ah, I see you went to the same school of accounting as my wife. You buy something you can't afford, and after you take it back, you use the money you "saved" to buy something else.

Originally Posted by ovcatto

Ah, you can't get an income tax credit unless you work for a living. Personally I don't consider folks who work at Wal-Mart as doing nothing all day long. Additionally, when Republicans (well when there used to be Republicans) the idea of the EITC was intended to reward... work. It is base upon the recognition that if you work all day and only take home a little more than folks on welfare, why work. So, by subsidizing work, we kept people in the workforce and off of welfare. Goodness.

Wow, a nation that rewards citizens for working. My reward for working is food, a car, shelter...I guess I missed the check. I'll call the Postmaster.

Originally Posted by ovcatto

Brilliant, let's depress demand even more while once again screwing the working class. What is interesting is the consistency of argument, reward work by screwing those who do so.

Working class contributers receive SS benefits at a rate that is disproportionately higher than high income contributors. Raising the tax now will pay off for them in the long run. Given the events transpiring today, you can expect the govt. to revise estimates of solvency for the program downward - way downward. This is for their own long-term benefit.

Peace.

[ovcatto]

Oh, this should be fun.

Dear jetgraphics,

"Before suggesting a solution, and entering into verbal combat, let us hone our tools of discernment and vocabulary."

Yes by all means lets.

"Our individual rights are not at the mercy of any one or group of people."

Ah no, there are individual rights but those rights have to be balanced by communal responsibility.

"So a government formed in mutual defense of our rights to life, liberty and property is acceptable."

Like Rush, you seem to confuse the Declaration of Independence with the Constitution. One is a political manifesto and the other is the law of the land.

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.


"And as part of your right to life, do you have the inalienable right to engage in any harmless activity that supports that right to life?

No, there are more than a few "harmless" activities which are expressly forbidden by statute, so no you don't have an unfettered right to "life" whatever that is that you are trying to say (I thought we were making defining words and phrases?)
Yes.

Blah, blah, blah we is this the good stuff?

"Is that clear?"

Not in the least bit.

"In America, the people are sovereign. But by consent, a private person can change his status, and submit himself to government, as a citizen."

No one can be a citizen or one can renounce said citizenship, those are the only two choices acting as in individual.

Oh, this ceased to be fun a while ago.

Apparently you went to the same internet law school that Orly Tiz or wherever her name is. You would never get through your first year of a real law school trying to cherry pick definitions and quotations from cases without placing them in their proper context and by laying out the question in law that formed the basis of the decision. In short you spent a god awful amount of time writing pure poppy ****.

[ovcatto]

"Apparently business owners and investors disagree. Refer to the stock market for further clarification."

The stock market for 17 months has been responding to cap and trade? Hell if that is the problem I'm with you, lets shiite can the idea and watch the DOW bounce back to 13000!

"You buy something you can't afford, and after you take it back, you use the money you "saved" to buy something else."

Clearly you need to go shopping with your wife more often. If you buy a luxury item (Iraq) which cost 3 times as much as a necessity, then taking the luxury item back so that you can purchase the necessity with a savings factor of 3 makes infinitely more sense than trying to pay for both at the same time.

"Obama is asking Americans to cut back and sacrifice - why doesn't he ask America to sacrifice? You know, Uncle Sam...he should cut his spending too!"

I suppose that if Uncle Sam were a real live person, then that would make some kind of sense, but governments are people and so their marginal utility for fun stuff over necessary stuff is rather inelastic.

"My reward for working is food, a car, shelter...I guess I missed the check. I'll call the Postmaster."

Good for you, if you can't afford to maintain anything above a subsistence level after working all week, I'll drive you to the Post Office myself.

"Raising the tax now will pay off for them in the long wrong(sic)."

I agree with the statement as posted.

[GOPATTA2D]

The market is an indicator of investors confidence in the future. In case you disagree, Obama made that very clear this morning.

If you only have $1,000 to spend, and you have already spent it before your shopping trip, then taking the $800 Gucci bag back and buying $300 shoes still leaves you over budget by $300.

Marginal utility and demand elasticity! Impressive. You understand that fun stuff is price elastic, and that essentials such as food and porn are inelastic. What you don't recognize is that not everybody shares the same idea of "essential" as Uncle Sam does.

Thanks for the offer, but I already have a driver.

"in the long wrong(sic) [sic]" - Touché! But watch those parentheses; you should have used brackets. Darn, that must have smarted - you were so close!

Peace.

[jetgraphics]

ovcatta Oh, this should be fun.

Dear jetgraphics,

"Before suggesting a solution, and entering into verbal combat, let us hone our tools of discernment and vocabulary."

Yes by all means lets.

"Our individual rights are not at the mercy of any one or group of people."

Ah no, there are individual rights but those rights have to be balanced by communal responsibility.

JG: DISAGREE. [1] If the individual's right to life, liberty and property ownership are at the mercy of another, it's not a good thing - especially when the majority are socialist pirates. The American PEOPLE are still sovereign under American law.

"So a government formed in mutual defense of our rights to life, liberty and property is acceptable."

Like Rush, you seem to confuse the Declaration of Independence with the Constitution. One is a political manifesto and the other is the law of the land.

JG: WRONG. In the Statutes at Large of the United States of America, Statute #1 is the Declaration of Independence. No constitutional law violates the DOI. And Statute #2 is the Articles of Confederation, and they, too, are part of the law.

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

JG: [2] Are you one of the "People of the United States"? Are you aware that at the time of authorship, the term "United States" meant Congress and not the United States of America.

"And as part of your right to life, do you have the inalienable right to engage in any harmless activity that supports that right to life?

No, there are more than a few "harmless" activities which are expressly forbidden by statute, so no you don't have an unfettered right to "life" whatever that is that you are trying to say (I thought we were making defining words and phrases?)

JG: Name one harmless activity that is proscribed by law. Please list the statute, and the constitutional authority for it, if you would.

"In America, the people are sovereign. But by consent, a private person can change his status, and submit himself to government, as a citizen."

No one can be a citizen or one can renounce said citizenship, those are the only two choices acting as in individual.

JG: WRONG. Contact the State department and ask about the passports for American nationals [3] who are NOT US citizens nor US nationals. You won't believe me if I told you so, so you will have to prove it to yourself.

Apparently you went to the same internet law school that Orly Tiz or wherever her name is. You would never get through your first year of a real law school trying to cherry pick definitions and quotations from cases without placing them in their proper context and by laying out the question in law that formed the basis of the decision.

JG: WRONG. I went to the local county courthouse law library and read the real law. I do not assume that the mass media propaganda ministry is telling the truth about history, law or philosophy. Perhaps you should prove me wrong. I am not infallible. Perhaps you can show us the laws that violate the Declaration of Independence, or violate natural liberty of the sovereign people.

But I am pleased you did not present any facts that deny that American nationals, domiciled in the U.S.A. are still the sovereign people protected by servant government.

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References :
1. See "SOVEREIGN".

He owes no such duty to the State, since he receives nothing therefrom, beyond the protection of his life and property. His rights are such as existed by the law of the land (*common law) long antecedent to the organization of the State, and can only be taken from him by due process of law, and in accordance with the Constitution. Among his rights are refusal to incriminate himself, and the immunity of himself and his property from arrest or seizure except under a warrant of law. He owes nothing to the public so long as he does not trespass upon their rights. "
Hale vs Henkel, 201 U.S. 43.

When the constitution refers to rights and powers, it specifically mentions people.

Amendment 9 - Construction of Constitution. Ratified 12/15/1791.
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

Amendment 10 - Powers of the States and People. Ratified 12/15/1791.
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

When the constitution refers to privileges and immunities, it refers to citizens.

Coincidentally, Art IV of Confederation says that the free inhabitants have all the privileges and immunities of the free citizens - without submission to the State.
Sovereign people / free inhabitants have their all their rights and powers AND any privileges and immunities of the citizenry.

" Natural liberty is the right which nature gives to all mankind, of disposing of their persons and property after the manner
they judge most consonant to their happiness, on condition of their acting within the limits of the law of nature, and that they do not in any way abuse it to the prejudice of other men."
- - - Bouvier's Law Dictionary

NATURAL LIBERTY - The power of acting as one thinks fit, without any restraint or control, unless by the law of nature. The right which nature gives to all mankind of disposing of their persons and property after the manner in which they judge most consistent with their happiness, on condition of their acting within the limits of the law of nature, and so as not to interfere in the equal exercise of the same rights by other men. 1 Blackstone's Commentaries, 123,
- - - Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth edition, p.919

2. U.S. v. U.S.A.
Articles of Confederation (1777)

Article I.The Stile of this confederacy shall be "The United States of America".

Article II. Each state retains its sovereignty, freedom, and independence, and every Power, Jurisdiction and right, which is not by this confederation expressly delegated to the United States, in Congress assembled.

As you should know, the CONstitution was written while the Articles were in effect. Ergo, the terminology is applicable.
U.S. = Congress, U.S.A. = States united (originally 13, now 50)

And this conveys the same meaning: Padelford, Fay & Co. vs. Mayor and Alderman, City of Savannah, 14 Ga. 438, 520 (1854) Supreme Court of Georgia.

"The Constitution was ordained and established by the people of the United States for themselves, for their own government and not for the government of the individual States."
- - -John Barron v. The Mayor and City Council of Baltimore, 7 Peters 204,(1822).

FEDERAL CORPORATIONS - The United States government is a foreign corporation with respect to a state.
- - - Volume 19, Corpus Juris Secundum XVIII. Foreign Corporations, Sections 883,884

The "People of the United States" were those Congress people who agreed to the new compact - not the people of the United States of America. Since not all Americans could vote, it would be presumptuous to assume that they all gave consent to be governed by the new compact. And private persons were not party to the agreement.

3. AMERICAN NATIONALS - as you might surmise, references to sovereign American nationals are few and far between. In the 50 titles of the U.S. code, I found only ONE explicit reference.

Certificate of nationality issued by the Secretary of State for person not a naturalized citizen of the United States for use in proceedings of a foreign state.

The Secretary of State is authorized to issue, in his discretion and in accordance with rules and regulations prescribed by him, a certificate of nationality for any person not a naturalized citizen of the United States who presents satisfactory evidence that he is an American national and that such
certificate is needed for use in judicial or administrative proceedings in a foreign state. Such certificate shall be solely for the use in the case for which it was issued and shall be transmitted by the Secretary of State through appropriate channels to the judicial or administrative officers of the foreign
state in which it is to be used.
Title 8, U.S.C.S 1502

And a reminder from the founding generation, via the 1776 Virginia Constitution.

SEC. 6. That elections of members to serve as representatives of the people, in assembly, ought to be free; and that all men, having sufficient evidence of permanent common interest with, and attachment to, the community, have the right of suffrage, and cannot be taxed or deprived of their property for public uses, without their own consent, or that of their representatives so elected, nor bound by any law to which they have not, in like manner, assembled, for the public good.

All men ... cannot be taxed without their own consent.
All men ... cannot be deprived of their property for public uses without their own consent.
All men ... cannot be bound by any law that is not for the public good.

[momonkey]

[quote=ovcatto;7724116]

Originally Posted by momonkey

"lets say the stimulus package didn't pass, but instead went with the Republicans wish of lowering taxes.How would that help the economy?"

"If you have more money and a broken car, I can fix your car and take some of that extra money you have. Now I have extra money and you have a running car."

Who needs to fix their car when they don't have a job to drive the car to? And if you have a job but are worrying about losing it, you just put off fixing the car and save the tax money.

If you fix a road, somebody is going to be required to buy some asphalt, they are going to be required to pay someone to drive it to the work site, where someone else is going to be required to spread it on the ground. No money save, money spent. Money spent increases demand, not the savings rate.


If people are out of work and given food stamps, the stamps have to be used, they are worthless being saved. Food bought, increases demand, increased demand requires that stores have clerks, suppliers to bring the food, and someone to grow or process it. Money is generated through the economy, it isn't saved. More money flowing, more goods and services purchased, more goods and services purchased the greater demand.

The problem isn't a lack of supply it is a lack of demand.

Macroeconomics 101.

If taxes are cut, you don't have to worry about loosing your job because people will spend more money. It would be just like everyone suddenly belonged to a union and, after paying their union dues, they had more money in their paychecks. Does that help to explain the concept of lower taxes to you? The advantage to doing it my way is that it doesn't force prices higher for us and anyone who would like to purchase our exports.

The problem with making the government a super consumer is that it creates higher prices for us and foreign consumers. We want to keep our prices as low as possible. That's good for us and helps us to export. After all, China can't keep running a trade surplus with us forever in order to buy our bonds that we need to sell them in order to finance the spending bill. Eventually they will run out of the cheap plastic crap that they will exchange for our paper money with which they will purchase bonds that will become worthless when we have our upcoming hyperinflation.

Trust me. Tax cuts work better.

[jetgraphics]

As noted in previous posts, the U.S. government is a "foreign corporation" with respect to a state. And a sovereign American is also foreign with respect to the United States. Coincidentally, the federal law pertaining to foreign sovereigns and their immunity from state and federal law has a glaring hole in the definition of a "foreign state".

FOREIGN SOVEREIGN IMMUNITIES ACT OF 1976

§ 1603. Definitions
For purposes of this chapter --
(a) A "foreign state", ...
(3) which is neither a citizen of a State of the United States as defined in section 1332 (c) and (d) of this title, nor created under the laws of any third country.

Do you see that an "American national" is neither a citizen of a State of the United States NOR a citizen under the laws of any third country?

STATE - A people permanently occupying a fixed territory bound together by common-law habits and custom into one body politic exercising, through the medium of an organized government, independent sovereignty and control over all
persons and things within its boundaries, capable of making war and peace and entering into international relations with other communities of the globe.
-In its largest sense, a "state" is a body politic or a society of men.
-The section of territory occupied by one of the United States.
-One of the component commonwealths or states of the United States of America.
- - - Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Ed., p.1407

An American national, one of the sovereign people, is a "State" guaranteed a republican form of government, and as a "Foreign Sovereign" explicitly protected by Federal law.

The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion;
[United States Constitution, Article 4, Section 4]

REPUBLICAN (form of) GOVERNMENT. One in which the powers of sovereignty are vested in the people and are exercised by the people, ... directly,.... In re Duncan, 139 U.S. 449, 11 S.Ct. 573, 35 L.Ed. 219; Minor v. Happersett, 88 U.S. (21 Wall.) 162, 22 L.Ed. 627.
- - - Black's Law Dictionary

"People are supreme, not the state."
Waring v. the Mayor of Savannah, 60 GA at 93.

"The people of the state, as the successors of its former sovereign, are entitled to all the rights which formerly belonged to the king by his own prerogative."
Lansing v. Smith, (1829) 4 Wendell 9, (NY)

"At the Revolution, the sovereignty devolved on the people and they are truly the sovereigns of the country."
Chisholm v. Georgia, 2 Dall. 440, 463

SOVEREIGNTY - ...By "Sovereignty", in its largest sense is meant supreme, absolute, uncontrollable power, the absolute right to govern.
Black's Law Dictionary Dictionary, Sixth Edition, p. 1396.

SOVEREIGN - A person, body or state in which independent and supreme authority is vested...
Black's Law Dictionary Dictionary, Sixth Edition, p. 1395.

MY SOLUTION?
Just say NO to national socialism...
RESTORE YOUR BIRTHRIGHT OF SOVEREIGNTY, FREEDOM AND INDEPENDENCE!

God Bless the United States of America!
YAHOO.

[nebulous1]

Originally Posted by jetgraphics

Before suggesting a solution, and entering into verbal combat, let us hone our tools of discernment and vocabulary.

Can we agree that we do not wish to be robbed nor killed?
Good.
We share the concept that our right to life, the fruits of our labor and that which we acquire are ours, and not subject to anyone else. Our individual rights are not at the mercy of any one or group of people.

Do we agree that cooperation in support and defense of our rights is a good thing?
Good.
So a government formed in mutual defense of our rights to life, liberty and property is acceptable.

According to the Declaration of Independence, governments are instituted among men to (a) secure rights, and (b) govern by consent of the governed.

Is that acceptable to all?

If you haven't given consent to be governed, all government is authorized to do is use its awesome power in support of your right to life, liberty, private property and other sundry rights, not explicitly mentioned.

And as part of your right to life, do you have the inalienable right to engage in any harmless activity that supports that right to life?
Yes.

Now we're getting close to the "good stuff".

If you haven't given consent to be governed, and not submitted yourself (and your property) to the government, then the government is your servant.
Is that acceptable?

"Government is not Sovereignty. Government is the machinery or expedient for expressing the will of the sovereign power."
City of Bisbee v. Cochise County, 78 P. 2d 982, 986, 52 Ariz. 1

Excellent! The government agrees with us, so far.

But what is a sovereign and what is sovereignty?

SOVEREIGN - A person, body or state in which independent and supreme authority is vested...
Black's Law Dictionary Dictionary, Sixth Edition, p. 1395.

SOVEREIGNTY - ...By "Sovereignty", in its largest sense is meant supreme, absolute, uncontrollable power, the absolute right to govern.
Black's Law Dictionary Dictionary, Sixth Edition, p. 1396.

Who or what is the sovereign power, if the government is not sovereignty?

"People are supreme, not the state."
Waring v. the Mayor of Savannah, 60 GA at 93.

"The people of the state, as the successors of its former sovereign, are entitled to all the rights which formerly belonged to the king by his own prerogative."
Lansing v. Smith, (1829) 4 Wendell 9, (NY)

"At the Revolution, the sovereignty devolved on the people and they are truly the sovereigns of the country."
Chisholm v. Georgia, 2 Dall. 440, 463

Do you agree that the AMERICAN PEOPLE are sovereign?
Good.

Let's figure out what the government is.

"...In America, however, the case is widely different. Our government is founded upon compact. Sovereignty was, and is, in the people."
Glass vs The Sloop Betsey, 3 Dall 6 (1794)

What compact?

"But, indeed, no private person has a right to complain, by suit in Court, on the ground of a breach of the Constitution. The Constitution, it is true, is a compact, but he is not a party to it. The States are the parties to it....."
- - -Padelford, Fay & Co. vs. Mayor and Alderman, City of Savannah, 14 Ga. 438, 520 (1854) Supreme Court of Georgia

The U.S. Constitution is a compact between the States united and the United States, in Congress assembled.

Wait, aren't "we, the people" part of that compact?

Not if you're a private person, and one of the sovereign people.

Why?

"... the term 'citizen,' in the United States, is analogous to the term "subject" in the common law; the change of phrase has resulted from the change in government. ... he who before was a "subject of the King" is now a citizen of the State."
State v. Manuel, 20 N.C. 144 (1838)

"CITIZEN - ... Citizens are members of a political community who, in their associative capacity, have established or submitted themselves to the dominion of government for the promotion of the general welfare and the protection of their individual as well as collective rights. "
- - - Black's Law Dictionary,Sixth Ed. p.244

"SUBJECT - One that owes allegiance to a sovereign and is governed by his laws.
...Men in free governments are subjects as well as citizens; as citizens they enjoy rights and franchises; as subjects they are bound to obey the laws. The term is little used, in this sense, in countries enjoying a republican form of government."
- - - Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition, p. 1425

Wait a minute - the government said it wasn't the sovereign, and that people were sovereign.
Who is a subject / citizen?
He who has established or submitted himself to the dominion of government is a citizen. He has given consent to be governed, in exchange for political liberties (voting and holding office).

Wait - there's an exception with respect to a "republican form of government"!
Good observation.

The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion;
[United States Constitution, Article 4, Section 4]

REPUBLICAN (form of) GOVERNMENT. One in which the powers of sovereignty are vested in the people and are exercised by the people, ... directly,....
In re Duncan, 139 U.S. 449, 11 S.Ct. 573, 35 L.Ed. 219;
Minor v. Happersett, 88 U.S. (21 Wall.) 162, 22 L.Ed. 627.
- - - Black's Law Dictionary

In a republican form of government, the people are sovereign. The servant government, and its subject citizens, are delegated certain powers to secure the rights of the sovereign people.

Is that clear?
In America, the people are sovereign. But by consent, a private person can change his status, and submit himself to government, as a citizen.

Did you think you were born a "U.S. citizen"?
Who told you that?
It's not in the law.

"A Sovereign cannot be named in any statute as merely a 'person' or 'any person'".
Wills v. Michigan State Police, 105 L.Ed. 45 (1989)

"In common usage, the term 'person' does not include the sovereign, [and] statutes employing the [word] are ordinarily construed to exclude it."
Wilson v. Omaha Indian Tribe, 442 U.S. 653, 667, 61 L.Ed2. 153, 99 S.Ct. 2529 (1979)
(quoting United States v. Cooper Corp. 312 U.S. 600, 604, 85 L.Ed. 1071, 61 S.Ct. 742 (1941)).

"All PERSONS born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside." [14th Amendment, Section 1.]

Uh oh... Sovereign Americans are not persons subject to nor object of the governing power of the servant government.

What proof exists that there are people who are NOT citizens?

"The better to secure and perpetuate mutual friendship and intercourse among the people of the different states in this union, the free inhabitants of each of these states,..., shall be entitled to all privileges and immunities of free citizens in the several
states; ..."
[Article IV of the Articles of Confederation (1777)]

Did you think "everybody" born in the U.S.A. was a U.S. citizen residing at a residence?

What's an inhabitant (as in free inhabitant)?

"INHABITANT - One who resides actually and permanently in a given place, and has his domicile there."
- - - Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition, p.782

"DOMICILE - A person's legal home. That place where a man has his true, fixed, and permanent home and principal establishment, and to which whenever he is absent he has the intention of returning."
- - - Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition, p.484

"RESIDENCE - Place where one actually lives ... Residence implies something more than physical presence and something less than domicile. The terms 'resident' and 'residence' have no precise legal meaning... [One can have many residences
but only one domicile]
- - - Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition, p.1308, 1309

U.S. citizens who reside at residences do not have legal, permanent homes. Coincidentally, no state issues "resident" licenses (permissions) to non-resident inhabitants domiciled in their state. In fact, inhabitants don't need permission, because they're not transients and trespassers. They have the RIGHT to be in the state and use the public roads and waterways, marry, own a dog, build a house, enter occupations, and run a business without permission of their servant government.

Check your own state's constitution and laws for mention of the inhabitant and his superior status.

" No inhabitant of this state shall be molested in person or property ... on account of religious opinions..."
- - - Georgia Constitution, Article 1, Sec.1, Paragraph 4

If your religious opinions forbid you to enroll into national socialism, accept numbering, or engage in usury, you cannot be molested for your choice... in Georgia. And if you think they were not aware of the difference between inhabitants and residents, read this:

"Citizens, protection of.
All citizens of the United States, resident in this state, are hereby declared citizens of this state; and it shall be the duty of the General Assembly to enact such laws as will protect them in the full enjoyment of the rights, privileges, and immunities due to such citizenship."
- - - Georgia Constitution, Art 1, Sec.1, Paragraph 7

Recapping, the government is not sovereign, but servant to the sovereign people. However, citizens are subjects of the sovereign government. Since involuntary servitude is unconstitutional (except after conviction), the compulsory civic duties associated with citizenship are empowered by consent of the governed. You DID give consent, knowingly, willingly and intentionally, didn't you? You did sign many government documents where you claimed to be a citizen and a resident, didn't you?

If you were a victim of fraud or constructive fraud, you have the right to object, and change your status at law. But once you leave, don't ever submit again, for then it would be a permanent and irrevocable election, and no objection will hold up.

PART TWO - Disinformation Eradication
America's republican form of government, in which the people are sovereign is in harmony with capitalism. But let us be clear on what capitalism really means.

CAPITALISM - An economic system in which the means of production, distribution and exchange are privately owned and operated for private profit.
- - - Webster's Dictionary

A farmer who owns his farm enjoys capitalism. A farmer who does not is a tenant.
A laborer who owns the fruits of his labor enjoys capitalism. A laborer who does not is a slave.

PRIVATE PROPERTY - "As protected from being taken for public uses, is such property as belongs absolutely to an individual, and of which he has the exclusive right of disposition. Property of a specific, fixed and tangible nature, capable of being in possession and transmitted to another, such as houses, lands, and chattels."
- - - Black's Law dictionary, sixth ed., p.1217

If you concatenate capitalism with private property, you can see the "inconvenient truth".

Capitalism is an economic system in which the means of production, distribution and exchange are absolutely owned by individuals and operated for their individual profit.

Anything else is NOT capitalism, including usury (which likes to call its nefarious scheme "capitalizing") and limited liability artificial persons (stock corporations).

In American law, we know that the constitutional government has promised to secure private property rights.

Amendment V, US Constitution 1789

... nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

From the Communist manifesto:

"In this sense, the theory of the Communists may be summed up in the single sentence: Abolition of private property."

COMMUNISM - the ownership of property, or means of production, distribution and supply, by the whole of a classless society, with wealth shared on the principle of 'to each according to his need', each yielding fully 'according to his ability'.
- - - Webster's Dictionary.

SOCIALISM - A political and economic theory advocating collective ownership of the means of production and control of distribution. It is based upon the belief that all, while contributing to the good of the community, are equally entitled to the care and protection which the community can provide.
--- Webster's dictionary

So let us be crystal clear - left wing socialist / communist pirates seek to rob property owners, via taxation and confiscation. And usurers, who also wish to rob property owners, via their scheme, are not part of capitalism. In fact, they are in alliance with these scurrilous scoundrels.

These thieves are opposed to any law that secures property rights, and government that espouses the ideal of securing property rights from attack.

HOW YOU WERE SWINDLED

Form SS-5, application for an account and number with Social Security is explicitly limited to U.S. citizens and U.S. residents. American nationals, free inhabitants, domiciled within the boundaries of the United States of America are ineligible to participate - and would not wish to.

Every participant in national socialism has surrendered his birthright to absolutely own private property, including himself. Each socialist has accepted the burden to be equally liable for the impossible public debt (See the definition for "contribution" in any legal dictionary) via the Federal Insurance CONTRIBUTION Act / Social Security Act of 1935. He has consented to be a "human resource" pledged as collateral on the debt. As one who is eligible for entitlements (charity) from the public treasury, each "volunteer" is a pauper, and thus a status criminal. Failure to pay his "fair share" of socialist taxes, will result in confiscation of his property (no longer protected from being taken for public use), and no just compensation will be given. Socialist Americans are incapable of owning private property.

In case you were unaware, Federal Reserve Notes (aka "dollar bills") are not dollars. They are authorized under the Federal Reserve Act of 1913, as codified in Title 12, USC sec. 411.

TITLE 12,UNITED STATES CODE, CHAPTER 3,SUBCHAPTER XII,sec. 411. Issuance to reserve banks; nature of obligation; redemption
" Federal reserve notes, to be issued at the discretion of the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System for the purpose of making advances to Federal reserve banks through the Federal reserve agents as hereinafter set forth and for no other purpose, are authorized. The said notes shall be OBLIGATIONS of the United States and shall be receivable by all national and member banks and Federal reserve banks and for all taxes, customs, and other public dues. They shall be redeemed in LAWFUL MONEY on demand at the Treasury Department of the United States, in the city of Washington, District of Columbia, or at any Federal Reserve bank."

FRNs are obligations of the U.S. government to pay lawful money on demand.

LAWFUL MONEY - "The terms 'lawful money' and 'lawful money of the United States' shall be construed to mean gold or silver coin of the United States..."
Title 12 United States Code, Sec. 152.

Federal Reserve Notes are issued under the authority of Art 1 Sec 8 power to borrow on the credit of the United States.

Article 1, Section 8. U.S. Constitution.
The Congress shall have Power
...To borrow Money on the credit of the United States;

But the notes were repudiated in House Joint Resolution 192, (June 1933). Congress will no longer guarantee the 'exchange rate' of the dollar (for each FRN). But the law still defines the national debt (in excess of 10 trillion dollars) in terms of gold. That computes to a sum of 500 billion ounces gold. Which is 100 times as much gold as is estimated to exist, above ground, in the world (5.5 billion ounces). Fort Knox depository has only 147.3 million ounces.

And Congress cannot question the public debt because of the 14th amendment, even when it is insane.

The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, ..., shall not be questioned.
Amendment 14, Section 4.

Now if you've followed this so far, you're aware that somehow, Americans were all persuaded that they needed to "join up" with national socialism before they were allowed to work in their own country. And that government "gave away" entitlements to all enumerated Americans. And that all we need to do is just elect the RIGHT group of public servants and everything will be fine.

Hopefully, you now will be better able to discount the propaganda and disinformation that has been fed to you from your birth.

The servant government is incapable of resolving the problems that are propelling the USA into collapse. Partly because of the constitutional limitations, and partly due to their contracts with usurers.

Partisan fighting and "wing" alliances will not resolve the problem. Since 1933, the U.S. Congress has been bankrupt. Since 1935, the USA has been marching to the tune of national socialism, slowly eroding the memory of absolute ownership and inalienable rights from the minds of each successive generation.

We are at a threshold of collapse. And after we pass that portal, I fear that too many people are so ignorant of their American birthright, that the enemies of the sovereign people will be victorious. Do not be deceived, government has acted helpless to make the problems worse, not better. It was all part of the plan to destroy the compacts that created the United States of America and substitute a new and improved "Socialist" compact.

Either you are FOR private property rights, or you are a pirate, seeking to TAKE private property rights. No matter what label, flag or doctrine is raised as the goal - either you are a harmless producer or you are a harmful predator. Choose carefully.

The REAL law protects property rights. And EVIL hates that law, and seeks to replace it with policy that is built upon fraudulent consent.

Sovereign people do not care who is the servant as long as he complies with his oath of office, and restrains himself within the limitations of the explicit delegation of power.
But if you're one of the subject peoples, be aware that your subjugation was entirely YOUR FAULT - according to the public record. Fighting about the inequities, tyranny, and unpleasant conditions of your servitude is futile. He who consents cannot complain. The government is absolved of all blame - because they have the written proof - in the public record.

The only nation on this planet with a republican form of government is the United States of America. And America is the only nation where the people are sovereign, and not subjects of servant government. If the people do not educate themselves to their lost heritage, this solitary experiment in true self government will pass into history, and be forgotten.

Go read the law, yourself.
It's available in every county courthouse law library.

I don't know about you, but there is no sum of money nor title of nobility that would ever persuade me to bend a knee or bow in subjugation to another monarch or sovereign, now that I know what my true birthright is. We were born to be Kings and Queens, monarchs of our lives and destinies. Our enemies have perverted generations, and polluted our language so that we may not recognize our tormentors. But I hope that someday, enough Americans awaken to their lost heritage. For when that day arrives, the heavens will rock with their exultation.

It has always been the threat of tyranny. Our Founding Fathers knew this, so they gave us these rights, so we could protect ourselves.
But now, people just don't care, and they take it all for granted. It is like leaving the door open just a bit every night, and eventually, something will come in.
Many do not believe Communism is evil. They are being conditioned to think it's just another form of government.
That's the sad thing about not learning history.

[doc1]

Overhaul the existing tax structure. What is the tax code now, thousands of pages?

Tax incentives to businesses to produce and hire domestically, disincentives to ship jobs out.

Seal off the southern border to inconvenience the flow of drugs, guns and illegal immigrants

Drill offshore, encourage more refining capacity and domestic energy sales through tax incentives. More tax incentives for CNG production, nukes, windfarms and solar farms. Coal too.

Keep your f**cking campaign promises. Everyone has access to youtube, internet, and TIVO you morons. It's not just your pals in the old media anymore. We know what you said. Don't try to bulls**t us with "nuance".

Leave office? You can't lobby your old pals and cronies, ever. Most of you are lawyers. Chase an ambulance, sue McDonalds.

[The Anchorite]

Ok, I didn't vote for Obama nor Mcain, there is nothing the president can do at this point to help the US or world economy. If all income tax was abolished it wouldn't do anything. The amount of toxic derivitives waiting to implode on the world economy will create total collapse and the average person will be left to pick up the pieces. I hope everyone is enjoying this little breather while it lasts, later this year the collapse is going to pick up speed again.

I think the best thing one can do is buy things you'll need in a worst case scenerio, cut out any wants and only go for needs. This has happened many times throughout history and we're lucky enough to be surfing the waves of collapse in our lifetime.

A very good site explaining what is happening: ContraHour