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Old 03-28-2009, 08:03 AM
 
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Everyone gets to have his or her own religious beliefs. They may serve as a guide to your actions. They do not serve as a guide to anyone else's actions. You can believe anything you want about fetuses. But if you can't convince anyone else that your beliefs in that area make sense, then that's the end of it. And make no mistake -- it is exactly the high degree of failure to convince others of the sense of such beliefs through actual argumentation that forces so-called right-to-lifers to resort to political means in attempts to enforce the implications of those unpersuasive beliefs upon others. This is an hypocrisy of the first order. You are no special people. There is no basis upon which you may claim to enforce your beliefs upon my actions. All you have is a smug conceit and an unwarranted sense of self-importance. I have just seven words for you -- butt the he!! out of my life...
So the North should have never gone to war with the South? We shoud have let Europe settle its own problems? MLK was a common criminal?

"All you have is a smug conceit and an unwarranted sense of self-importance."

"... if he does not protest wherever and whenever he can against this clique of criminals, if he shows no sympathy for these hundreds of thousands of victims. He must evidence not only sympathy; no, much more: a sense of complicity in guilt. For through his apathetic behavior he gives these evil men the opportunity to act as they do; he tolerates this "government" which has taken upon itself such an infinitely great burden of guilt; indeed, he himself is to blame for the fact that it came about at all! Each man wants to be exonerated of a guilt of this kind, each one continues on his way with the most placid, the calmest conscience. But he cannot be exonerated; he is guilty, guilty, guilty!"

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Old 03-28-2009, 08:15 AM
 
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Everyone gets to have his or her own religious beliefs. They may serve as a guide to your actions. They do not serve as a guide to anyone else's actions. You can believe anything you want about fetuses. But if you can't convince anyone else that your beliefs in that area make sense, then that's the end of it. And make no mistake -- it is exactly the high degree of failure to convince others of the sense of such beliefs through actual argumentation that forces so-called right-to-lifers to resort to political means in attempts to enforce the implications of those unpersuasive beliefs upon others. This is an hypocrisy of the first order. You are no special people. There is no basis upon which you may claim to enforce your beliefs upon my actions. All you have is a smug conceit and an unwarranted sense of self-importance. I have just seven words for you -- butt the he!! out of my life...
Good post and, as usual, very intelligent thoughts, but I had to laugh at the last line which, after all the rhetoric and arguing, pretty much sums it up for me and many others....


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Old 03-28-2009, 09:04 AM
 
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So the North should have never gone to war with the South? We shoud have let Europe settle its own problems? MLK was a common criminal?
Slavery, militant fascism, and civil rights have nothing whatsoever to do with your entirely unpersuasive arguments concerning fetuses.
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Old 03-28-2009, 09:23 AM
 
Location: Turn Left at Greenland
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I just find it asenine that these "stay out of our lives you stinking gov-mint" people want the gov-mint to enter and control each woman's uterus. It's vile and kinda pornographic.
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Old 03-28-2009, 08:28 PM
 
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All that these trouble women had to do is give the child to a couple who would love it as if he or she was their own flesh and blood. Who is more to blame?
One of these "women" was a 10 year old. There's a special place in hell reserved for those that think a 10 year old CHILD should be forced to carry a child to term- especially when at that age the pregnancy was most likely the result of rape or incest.
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Old 03-28-2009, 08:46 PM
 
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My parents were of different faiths and I believe God lives in everyone. To accept one religion and say the other was false is plain wrong.
Beautiful!

Simply beautiful!

I feel the same.
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Old 03-28-2009, 09:00 PM
 
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Slavery, militant fascism, and civil rights have nothing whatsoever to do with your entirely unpersuasive arguments concerning fetuses.

The kids in Germany were rounded up and shot. The parent's neighbors thought they were bad parents for raising children like that.

So you're unmoved?

To be expected.
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Old 03-28-2009, 09:05 PM
 
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I just find it asenine that these "stay out of our lives you stinking gov-mint" people want the gov-mint to enter and control each woman's uterus. It's vile and kinda pornographic.

Not murdering your child is vile and ponographic?
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Old 03-28-2009, 09:15 PM
 
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One of these "women" was a 10 year old. There's a special place in hell reserved for those that think a 10 year old CHILD should be forced to carry a child to term- especially when at that age the pregnancy was most likely the result of rape or incest.

One of the Nineteen. We don't know the circumstances from the article. We do know that this child is scarred for the rest of her life. At age ten she is old enough to understand what took place. I expect she'll have psycological problems because of this. They should have jailed her parents even before prosecuting Tilla tha' babie killa' as he is know in Kansas.
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Old 03-28-2009, 09:21 PM
 
Location: Pensacola, Fl
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I think emotions are running pretty high on this thread.

The doctor would not have preformed the abortions if he had no reason not to. I don't know about you guys, but to me, the life of a viable human being trumps the life of a fetus. Would you like for the mother to die in a preventable childbirth when she could of survived just so it's easier on your conscience? Would you like for the mother to be an invalid for the rest of her life, just so she can have a baby that she does not want nor that she cannot take care of for the sake of your conscience?

The doctor did what he thought was medically necessary for the women (and one child); if it was to abort the fetus that otherwise would've caused serious complications for the mother, then yes, I agree with his decision to do so.
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