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Old 04-08-2009, 06:38 AM
 
Location: LEAVING CD
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The majority of doctors believe in wearing helmets even when riding a bicycle. The arguments that radio guest presented against helmets are nonsense. So are most arguments against seat belts.
As are all the arguments against the freedom to choose.
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Old 04-08-2009, 07:08 AM
 
Location: Moon Over Palmettos
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Smoking is a physical addiction. A smoker's body is addicted to nicotine, so when it gets the nicotine, it relaxes. Then the cycle starts all over again. That's it in a nutshell.
Hey no argument there Nurse Katiana! My argument is against the sweeping blanket statement that msconnie made about smoking not serving ANY purpose, least of all to the smoker. It does serve a purpose! I can't stand generalizations.
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Old 04-08-2009, 07:48 AM
 
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Cars are damaging, this is a fact. But the convenience factor is a positive. It has a domino effect. Get a car = get to work/school on time = don't get fired for poor attendance/get your kid to school on time/get to the hospital timely/etc.

Name a positive of smoking. (Hint: "it relaxes me" is not a valid answer.)
Ok this is why I continue to smoke:
First, I did not start until I was 35, going through a nasty divorce, and associating with co-workers who smoked.
I had been 30-50 lbs overweight since my mid-20's.
I worked very hard from age 35-40 to get the weight off and keep it off, and was very sucessful in losing 55+ lbs. I continued to smoke.
I decided to stop smoking and went to see my physician who prescribed CHANTIX. They way it works is you get a 4-week supply, you set your quit date, and begin taking the medication 1 week prior to your quit date. So I did that...and was very successful.
However, when my 4-week supply was up, the doctor required you to come into his office for a visit so he could make sure the medication was doing ok, etc.
When I went for my visit, 4 weeks after I started taking the med, and 3 weeks after I had stopped smoking.....I HAD GAINED 13 LBS.....
I was forwarned before I stopped smoking to be careful of weight gain, so I was really watching what I ate, snacking on healthy foods, suger-free candy, etc.....I STILL GAINED 13 LBS....MY METABOLISM COMPLETELY SHUT DOWN!

So, I made the decision that for me, being overweight was worse than smoking. I felt worse and was more unhealthy being overweight. The overweight years kept me from enjoying life with my children and getting out and doing things. My blood pressure remains on the low side, 110/80. And so does my cholesterol (130).

I never smoke in my house or car, or anyone elses, even if they do. I never smoke around my children or any children.
I do smoke in resturants that allow it if I am with other smokers. I feel there are plenty of non-smoking resturants and if it bothers someone that bad, they should go somewhere else.
You don't go to the Chicken Barn when you want Burgers, so why would you go to a resturant that allows smoking if you wanted non-smoking?
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Old 04-08-2009, 12:57 PM
 
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My doctor says other wise. I believe him. I certainly think he is better informed in actual science and medical information then you are. In fact that is one of the reasons I smoke outside instead of inside where I would be subjecting my family to my smoke.
Doctors are human and susceptible to error like any other. Doctors often base their opinions on studies they read in medical journals. These studies are often the point of contention. Many studies operate on very weak test beds, use unethical mathematical methods and are highly assumptive in their conclusions.

A Medical Doctor is not a mathematician and many of the researchers out there publishing findings don't make the conclusions that their administrative summaries and journals assume from them.

The area of SHS and even FHS in many ways is highly politically motivated. If you really want the "truth" of these claims made by major organizations like the EPA, ACI, NLA, and so on, you must dig very deep down to the original research. There you will find where the evidence gets thin and is severely lacking.

Did you ever wonder how for instance research will often flip flop back and forth concerning various things associated with our health? One year coffee is good, the next it is bad and this is common with many areas of so called "scientific" research and the doctors opinions will vary and change according to these findings. In the end, a doctor is not a scientist, but a practitioner. They do not deal in absolute facts or certainty, but rather they must experiment with each approach on those they administer to. There is no one size fits all in medicine and those that proclaim so are merely looking to sell you something.
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Old 04-08-2009, 05:51 PM
 
Location: James Island, SC
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The area of SHS and even FHS in many ways is highly politically motivated. If you really want the "truth" of these claims made by major organizations like the EPA, ACI, NLA, and so on, you must dig very deep down to the original research. There you will find where the evidence gets thin and is severely lacking.
Okay, so where is this mystical "original" research? Do you work in the secret bowels of the National Institutes of Health?

I'll believe it when I see it.
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Old 04-08-2009, 06:11 PM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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Okay, so where is this mystical "original" research? Do you work in the secret bowels of the National Institutes of Health?

I'll believe it when I see it.
No, you believe it when you don't see it. That's been the problem all along in this thread...

Why don't YOU go find the study that you claim proves that SHS is bad. It's not up to us to prove a negative - if you're going to claim that it's unhealthy, the onus is on you to provide evidence supporting your claim.

Let's have it.
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Old 04-08-2009, 06:25 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Hey no argument there Nurse Katiana! My argument is against the sweeping blanket statement that msconnie made about smoking not serving ANY purpose, least of all to the smoker. It does serve a purpose! I can't stand generalizations.
But if the smoker wasn't addicted to nicotine, somoking a cigarette wouldn't relax him/her.
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Old 04-08-2009, 06:27 PM
 
Location: San Francisco Bay Area
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But if the smoker wasn't addicted to nicotine, somoking a cigarette wouldn't relax him/her.
So, a drug has no effect unless a person is already addicted to it?
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Old 04-08-2009, 06:32 PM
 
Location: Moon Over Palmettos
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So, a drug has no effect unless a person is already addicted to it?
My thoughts exactly. I'm not an alcoholic and I'm not addicted to alcohol, but one glass of wine relaxes me. I don't get the logic Katiana.
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Old 04-08-2009, 06:42 PM
 
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So, a drug has no effect unless a person is already addicted to it?
No, nicotine is a stimulant. It only relaxes the addict.
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