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View Poll Results: Health Care: Does Your Employer Still Offer Traditional Insurance
My employer only offers traditional insurance 4 50.00%
My employer offers traditional & the HSA/High deductible plan 2 25.00%
My employer only offers the HSA/High deductible plan 0 0%
My employer does not offer health insurance for full time employees. 0 0%
I am self-employed. 2 25.00%
Voters: 8. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 04-14-2009, 10:15 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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So if you get cancer and lose your job from being ill, you should just die?
The opposite, nationalized health care, will coldly and objectively determine whether you live or die based on cost allocation and how much other "clients" will have to sacrifice.
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Old 04-14-2009, 10:16 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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Yes!!!
That is EXACTLY what I meant....
Catastrophic insurance will cover the cancer...just not your sniffles.


A person should be willing to pay $50 to visit the Doctor....or $100.

How many people here have dental insurance?
It seems to be less popular yet people somehow pay to get their teeth cared for.
LASIK and dental care operates under the most laissez-faire structure, and notice how real costs have declined.
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Old 04-14-2009, 10:17 AM
 
Location: NJ/NY
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The opposite, nationalized health care, will coldly and objectively determine whether you live or die based on cost allocation and how much other "clients" will have to sacrifice.
That's better than dying.

(Even though France and the UK have lower cancer death rates than the US)
Death from cancer Health Statistics - NationMaster
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Old 04-14-2009, 10:18 AM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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The opposite, nationalized health care, will coldly and objectively determine whether you live or die based on cost allocation and how much other "clients" will have to sacrifice.
Surely the proponents of a national health system do not think it will guarantee they receive timely treatment????
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Old 04-14-2009, 10:19 AM
 
Location: NJ/NY
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Longer life spans as well.
Total Population > Life Expectancy At Birth > International statistics
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Old 04-14-2009, 10:21 AM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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That's better than dying.

(Even though France and the UK have lower cancer death rates than the US)
Death from cancer Health Statistics - NationMaster
The Netherlands has a socialised health system I believe...as does New Zealand....
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Old 04-14-2009, 10:21 AM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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I think it's a great program. If you are reasonably healthy, don't go to the doctor regularly, and only use minimal medical care, the money in the HSA builds over time, like a 401k. You don't have to guess your expenses and use it all in one year, like a cafeteria plan. The balance in the HSA goes with you when you switch jobs, or if you retire. The smart thing to do would be to deposit heavily first year or two until your deductable could be made up in the the HSA.

It offers some options. For example, I'd like to get Lasik at some point, but don't have the cash, nor do I want to pay it all in one year under a cafe plan. The HSA would be great, savings can be accumulated over time and when there is enough I could go ahead with the surgery. Same on glasses, or other medical expenses that can be somewhat "time discretionary".

We need to get over the idea that insurance is to pay for every little medical expense. Insurance on your car doesn't pay for oil changes, it covers major "emergiencies". Health insurance should be the same way, this would go a long way to reducing costs. And perhaps keep some people away from the doctor over every little ache, pain or sniffle.

I haven't been to a doctor in around 12 years (with the exception of stitches a couple of times)...yet still have an expensive, "low" deductable program. No real benefit to me, whereas the HSA would have. My expenses were below my "low" deductable and hence out of pocket, with the HSA I'd have been able to utilize it.
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Old 04-14-2009, 10:24 AM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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What a strange list of 'countries'...

Macau is not a country,neither is Guernsey or Jersey or Gibraltar or the Faroe Islands....
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Old 04-14-2009, 10:27 AM
 
Location: NJ/NY
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What a strange list of 'countries'...

Macau is not a country,neither is Guernsey or Jersey or Gibraltar or the Faroe Islands....
They are Autonomous Provinces, and Jersey and Guernsey, not sure why they're counted separately.

Take those out and it does not affect my point.
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Old 04-14-2009, 10:29 AM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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They are Autonomous Provinces.

Take those out and it does not affect my point.
What is your point?
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