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Old 05-22-2009, 05:46 PM
 
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So long Federal funding for disasters, universities
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You think Texas is dependent upon the federal government? Funny....we are a donor state.
I guess we better not tell 'em about the Permanent University Fund
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Old 05-22-2009, 05:55 PM
 
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Dukester,
You forget that the Military took an oath to protect the U.S. Constitution, not Barack Hussein Obama or the Federal Goverment. If the states continue to abide by the U. S. Constitution and stay on the right path the Military will be protecting the citizens not Barack Hussein Obama Or The Federal Goverment.
Brush up on your Military And The U. S. Constitution.
ROLL UP YOUR SLEEVES & LET THE BATTLE BEGIN
GOD BLESS TEXAS & THE MILITARY


If you need more proof I will be glad to help you.
Well, it won't be protecting Texas once you break ranks, so you are on your own...
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Old 05-22-2009, 06:43 PM
 
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heard this today on Hardball. The Governor of Texas' mansion or where ever he resides was torched by arsonists and guess who is paying to restore it? The FEDs with stimulus funds to the tune of $11 million dollars!
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Old 05-22-2009, 07:06 PM
 
Location: Texas
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The feds are not, it is getting paid for by donations only.
Sorry that dog does not hunt.

ROLL UP YOUR SLEEVES & LET THE BATTLE BEGIN
GOD BLESS TEXAS & THE MILITARY
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Old 05-22-2009, 11:43 PM
 
Location: Sarasota, Florida
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The feds are not, it is getting paid for by donations only.
Sorry that dog does not hunt.

ROLL UP YOUR SLEEVES & LET THE BATTLE BEGIN
GOD BLESS TEXAS & THE MILITARY
What battle , I say your free to go...and don't forget to write......How about joining Mexico...TEXMEX.
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Old 05-23-2009, 05:28 PM
 
Location: Texas
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I love it when the Socialist start crawling out of the wood work.

ROLL UP YOUR SLEEVES & LET THE BATTLE BEGIN
GOD BLESS TEXAS & THE MILITARY
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Old 05-23-2009, 10:10 PM
 
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I love it when the Socialist start crawling out of the wood work.

ROLL UP YOUR SLEEVES & LET THE BATTLE BEGIN
GOD BLESS TEXAS & THE MILITARY
Yep, me too.... But not as much as I like the delusional neoCONS....
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Old 05-24-2009, 02:38 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Dukester,

For those who do not understand what the the political language means now days,this might help some.

Today’s Terms and What They Mean

The American political machinery and the media have effectively disinformed many generations of unwitting Americans, decorating the governments real agendas with deceptive labels. Do yourself (and your progeny) a favor by shaking free from all the indoctrination. Amaze all your friends! Learn to recognize and apply the right labels to what they are doing, and stand up for truth — to the undoing of the parties and their collectivist agendas!


Our political language is a mess—and thats no accident. The enemies of liberty are accustomed to redefining and blurring the distinctions between words, so as to confuse the public and make their own motives and goals less easily discerned.
Enemies of Liberty? Yes, for some decades a wide-spread and politically diverse popular movement has pervaded the American political realm—one that rejects the principles of liberty and self-government upon which the United States were founded. This loosely associated collection of individuals and organizations persists in disseminating their collectivist/globalist ideology as normal core values through the union-dominated government educational indoctrination systems and the popular media.
This is no conspiracy theory—indeed, no conspiracy is necessary. Americans have by and large submitted themselves and their children to be trained by their own tax-funded government education complex to adopt the collectivist/globalist mentality—a mindset (or worldview) that stands immovably contrary to several of the specific and fundamental principles held dear by Americas founders and at least a few of the generations that followed them.
The historical meaning and modern usage of many of these terms now overlap each other, and in some cases mean the opposite of what they once meant, causing abundant confusion and frustration. Liberal, leftist, conservative, libertarian, anarchist, socialism, communism, fascism, (all = collectivism), environmentalism, political correctness, obfuscation. anarchism a political ideology that opposes civil government of most any kind. Often erroneously and simplistically equated with libertarianism.
aristocracy a system of government in which a special, privileged class of people rule over everyone else. For many decades, at the national level, American career politicians have endeavored to achieve and maintain what can fairly be called an aristocracy. This has chiefly been accomplished within the framework of a two-party monopoly of the election process, in which those who run for congressional offices are primarily affluent lawyers from the two parties sharing the monopoly over the U.S. political system, who willingly violate the Constitution to assure their re-election. See also oligarchy and despotism.
collectivism a political ideology that promotes the subjugation of individual and popular liberty, needs and desires, as assessed by individuals and populations themselves, to the goals and demands of the state (government), which are determined by an elitist party that presumes to know what is best for the state, and therefore, the people. The term covers a broad collection of varieties, including socialism, fascism, and communism, all of which contain the core element of collectivism, and all of which tend to evolve, over time, into more totalitarian systems.
communism a collectivist political ideology in which the state, its authority and goals (under the guise of the workers) are rendered the supreme guiding ideals by those in control. Communist government predominantly prohibits private ownership of commercial/production property. See collectivism.
conservatism a political ideology that opposes change. This classic definition has become essentially obsolete, since many contemporary conservatives advocate change no more or less than their liberal counterparts. More accurately defined in the contemporary context, conservatism superficially represents a blend of traditional values, often combined with some measure of ostensible Christian beliefs and values, and opposition to taxpayer-funded government activities that threaten to erode any of these values. In practice, however, many (if not most) conservative politicians so readily compromise so-called conservative values (especially, but by no means only, at the federal level) that they could easily be mistaken for liberals apart from their rhetoric, and many of their deeds are collectivist in nature.
democracy a form of government in which the people—particularly the majority of the people—presume to rule all of the people. The United States are not governed by a democracy, as is popularly believed, and heavily parroted by politicians, the media, and academia. The U.S. Constitution plainly defines a republic as both the national and each independent States form of government (see Article IV, Section 4). John Adams said, Democracy will soon degenerate into...such an anarchy that every man will do what is right in his own eyes and no mans life or property or reputation or liberty will be secure ...into a system of subordination of all...to the wanton pleasures, the capricious will, and the execrable cruelty of one or a very few. One need only observe the direction in which Americas democracy advocates are marching to recognize that Mr. Adams knew what he was talking about.
despotism a political ideology or arrangement in which national absolute power (or something closely resembling to it) is held by one person (or a very small group of persons). A despot is the person (or one of the people) wielding that power, or aspiring to do so. See also oligarchy and aristocracy.
fascism a collectivist political ideology in which national pride, in combination with the state, its authority and goals are rendered the supreme guiding ideals by those in control. Fascist government typically permits private ownership of commercial/production property, as long as it remains readily available above all else for the needs of that government. See collectivism.
jury nullification the right of a jury to judge the validity and morality of the law as well as the facts under which a defendant is being tried: U.S. Supreme Court, Marbury vs Madison 16th American Jurisprudence 2d, Section 177 late 2nd, section 256: No one is bound to obey an unconstitutional law and no courts are bound to enforce it. The general rule is that an unconstitutional statute, though having the form and the name of law, is in reality no law, but is wholly void, and ineffective for any purpose, since unconstitutionality dates from the time of its enactment, and not merely from the date of the decision so branding it.
leftist, left-wing, left-leaning pertaining to a political ideology that is largely in line with liberalism, usually with some form of especially strong collectivist aspect.
leviathan the term first introduced by political philosopher Thomas Hobbes (1588-1697) to represent the collective unit of a commonwealth, or more specifically, the governing state that Hobbes saw as the inevitable and sovereign outcome of individuals collective economic and social associations. Originally from a Hebrew word for a sea monster, it is often used to refer to the totalitarian-leaning, bureaucratic state found in most countries calling themselves democracies.
liberalism a political ideology that advocates change, typically towards collectivist goals. This classic definition has become somewhat confusion to some, since many contemporary liberals advocate change no more or less than their conservative counterparts. More accurately defined in the contemporary context, liberalism represents a rejection of traditional values, often including any measure biblically accurate Christian beliefs and values, and advocates taxpayer-funded government activities promoting cultural/societal trends in line with these ideals within a predominantly collectivist framework.
libertarianism a political ideology that promotes free market economics and individual and popular liberty over and above the authority and power granted to any governing authority. Often misconstrued as a form of anarchism, libertarian ideologys considerable range of tenets chiefly center on government that is limited in power by—and held strictly accountable to—a population of primarily self-governing citizens. Summed up perhaps most succinctly by Thomas Jefferson: The government which governs least, governs best.
Generally, libertarian (lower case l) refers to libertariansim in general, while Libertarian (upper case L) refers to the Libertarian Party. Caveat emptor! Unfortunately, a significant portion of the American libertarian movement, including the political party, fosters an amoral—sometimes anti-Christian—sentiment. Though things like rights and individual liberty ultimately depend on moral absolutes for their ultimate meaning, some self-styled intellectuals of the libertarian movement reject out-of-hand a moral cause or origin. Quick to deny any historical basis for an objective moral standard, they irrationally perpetuate historical fabrications to justify their exclusion (i.e., intolerance) of what might as well be called Christian Libertarianism. Libertarians who practice this hypocrisy include the likes of Vin Suprynowicz and L. Neil Smith.
liberty the freedom to conduct the affairs of ones person and property without external (particularly government) limitation, so long as anothers person or property is not infringed or harmed. While comprising a specific manifestation of combined political, civil, and personal freedom, liberty should not be confused or interchanged with the general term freedom.
oligarchy a system of government in which a small number of people rule over everyone else. For many decades, at the national level, American career politicians have endeavored to achieve and maintain what can fairly be called an oligarchy. This has chiefly been accomplished within the framework of a two-party monopoly of the election process, in which those who run for congressional offices are primarily affluent lawyers from the two parties sharing the monopoly over U.S, politics, who willingly violate the Constitution to assure their re-election. See also aristocracy and despotism.
republic a form of self-government in which: the citizens are the free and sovereign rulers; they are served by a limited government of elected representatives; the government is ever subject to the law and the citizens vigilant scrutiny; the rights of the minority may not be overturned by majority vote. A government of laws and not of men—John Adams. The founders understood an ideal republic to be one in which the rights and property of all citizens are uniformly protected, within which context the people rule themselves, and are not ruled by any government, or one another. (Contrast this with what the U.S. has become under the mythical ruse that this is a democracy, and you will soon see why the founders detested democracy.)
socialism a collectivist political ideology in which the good of society is defined the supreme guiding ideal by those (usually a small minority) who rule over everyone else. See collectivism.
state the political organization, institutions, and bureaucracies that purports (whether justifiably or not) to sovereignly represent and govern the population of a distinct and defined geographic area. Until the late 19th and early 20th centuries, Americans for the most part considered themselves sovereigns, not subjects of their respective States, and certainly not citizens of an American nation or mega-state comprised of the several States (as the federal government has since come to be regarded). The United States of America were commonly regarded by their respective populations as distinct, sovereign, and independent entities. Socialist trends, from the institution of The Pledge to numerous other actions advancing the ideology of collectivism, have since rendered the state (i.e., government) as equivalent to the People or the so-called singular nation of the United States in the popular mind.
statism a collectivist political ideology in which the state itself, its authority and goals are rendered the supreme guiding ideals by those in control. See collectivism.
totalitarian having the characteristics of complete, centralized control by a powerful leader or group, making the individual citizen a subject/slave of the state/government, with strict control of all aspects of the life and available productive capacity, typically by coercive measures (censorship and/or police-state/military rule).
utilitarianism a collectivist political ideology in which individual rights and liberty are subordinated to government-imposed actions and rules arbitrarily assumed by elitist power-holders to bring about the greatest happiness to the greatest number of people.

ROLL UP YOUR SLEEVES & LET THE BATTLE BEGIN
GOD BLESS TEXAS & THE MILITARY
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Old 05-24-2009, 01:32 PM
 
Location: Westwood, MA
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Dukester - I'm sure you've seen the stats that show we send MORE money to Washington than we get back....UNLIKE something like 35 states.

Even if we're getting a lot of disaster money, it all evens out.

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You think Texas is dependent upon the federal government? Funny....we are a donor state.
The US is operating with a huge budget deficit, so are any states truly donor states? Not all expenditure in these lists is accounted for by state spending, right? Would an independent Texas take its share of the national debt? All this being said, I think Texas has a pretty good shot at staying afloat and balancing its budget if it were to become independent.

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We (Americans) are paying attention to conservative whiners whose failed policies put our country into a terrible mess that now the adults (Obama) have to clean up.

These states are among the most dependent upon the Federal government.
If they committ treason, they lose... again.

I would love to see texass end up being what it once was, Mexico.

Good buy military industrial complex. Goodbye NASA and Federal employees who live and work in the state.

So long Federal funding for disasters, universities, student aide, Medicare etc etc.
FWIW, Texas has a pretty well diversified and established economic base. Plus, Texas has reasonable mineral wealth (oil and natural gas). I don't think Texas would become a third-world country if it separated. The state tax burden lists usually take entitlements in to account, so Texas could afford to pay social security and medicare programs from what is already collected from Texan's in federal tax money.

That being said, I think this "red state/blue state succession" nonsense is fun, but is hopefully entirely humorous. I remember after 2004 it was the coastal and northern liberals who were whining and even made the extremely amusing United States of Canada/Jesusland map (Jesusland map - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia). Now its the conservatives who lost and want to take their ball and go home. There is something to be said about the United States as a whole being more worthwhile than each individual state. I think we are a great country because of our differences not despite them.
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Old 05-24-2009, 08:34 PM
 
Location: So. Dak.
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I'd say, "Ta Ta, Texas". Let's just set them free so they stop whining.

BUT it'd only be proper to give your state residents a 6 month chance to decide if they want to leave Tx. and remain being U.S. citizens or if they'd prefer to stay there and be part of Northern Mexico. There are a lot of nice people from there and I doubt they're all as gung-ho about leaving the Union as some people are.
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