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Interesting. The polls showed that most Republicans approved of the job he was doing up until the last year.
I'm 61, lived through the Vietnam war era as a young adult of draft age. The public backed that war for a long time, after all, we WERE the good guys. It took many years for the truth to sink in, that Vietnam was mostly a bogus war and we were not such good guys after all, though our troops served with great bravery and honor, it was our LEADERS who were corrupt or flawed. This is the second time in my life that I've lived through a mess like this, I sure hope there are no more such debacles.
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Looks like you got a little conflicted about posting this thread.
So, what does it mean Sanrene? The GOP representatives aren't crazy enough?
Not at all.
Why do you think the republicans lost control of congress in 2006? It was their constituents kicking them to the door because they did not govern like a true conservative.
It means they need to stop trying to outdo the dems - Rino's in other words.
No true conservative could ever, ever have voted for obama's stimulus package.
Actually, it's the other way around, which is that 69% of the base, primarily the evangelicals, are the ones out of touch - with reality.
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Actually, it's the other way around, which is that 69% of the base, primarily the evangelicals, are the ones out of touch - with reality.
Sorry but being a conservative should mean something - most of the "base" (whatever that is) is/was very unhappy with the (R)'s in congress, that is why they lost power.
Kind of what many of us have been saying for a long time, that today's GOP bears no resemblance to the great days of the past, when truly outstanding men led the way (Goldwater, Eisenhower, Dirksen, Lodge, Nelson Rockefeller, Buckley, et al).
The GOP of my childhood is gone. It has been largely replaced by a mob of unruly, stupid, hypocritical, bible thumping yahoo's who are bent on dominating the nation and forcing a theocracy on us. Not if I can help it.
IMO, there IS a third party out there - now. A party of the center that does not self-identify with the wingnuts of the GOP right or the extreme what-evers of a DEM left wing. I really cannot discern a notable sentiment these days on the far left. IMO, the old FAR left is as dead and gone as the Great Society, Welfare liberals, et al, it's hard to find anyone clamoring for that stuff as party platform.
Like the current state of the GOP, the Dems were also once dominated by their own extremists, back in the 60s and 70s when the former working class coalition built by FDR, was hijacked by the campus radicals of the Viet Nam era.
I think the fact that you can no longer identify the radicals' presence today, is a good indication of what it's going to take in order to restore the GOP.
To be consistant, I don't believe in polls, even ones I agree with. Only poll I'll follow is the one taken at the voting booth. In my opinion, most of the Republicans in the legislature are simply Democrat lite.
Sorry but being a conservative should mean something - most of the "base" (whatever that is) is/was very unhappy with the (R)'s in congress, that is why they lost power.
Fair enough, but defining what is the base (that still exists) and just what it was they are unhappy about wasn't in the polling data, so it could be anything. We may assume the "base" isn't happy with all the red ink that Bush and the GOP piled up, tax cuts for the wealthy, unjustified war, etc. We could equally well assume that the so-called "base" isn't happy about abortion not being outlawed, not happy that birth control can still be purchased, not happy that public schools haven't been turned into evangelical madrassas and so on. We could also assume that the base isn't happy that blowhards like Limbaugh, Coulter, O'Reilly, Hannity, Beck, et al, are spewing nonsense most days, and they want more responsible thought and behavior from their real and defacto leaders. It's the ambiguity of the poll that is troublesome, it allows / forces us to make assumptions about just who is the base and what is it they're unhappy about, and most of these assumptions would probably be wrong.
For darned sure, being a conservative SHOULD mean something, but these days to call oneself a conservative is to self-identify with social conservatives, not fiscal conservatives, and this is a HUGE perversion of historical conservatism. Most people do NOT want to be associated with the likes of Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell(d), James Dobson, Fred Phelps, "Rev" Ted, Hagee, Parsley, et al.
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I'm 61, lived through the Vietnam war era as a young adult of draft age. The public backed that war for a long time, after all, we WERE the good guys. It took many years for the truth to sink in, that Vietnam was mostly a bogus war and we were not such good guys after all, though our troops served with great bravery and honor, it was our LEADERS who were corrupt or flawed. This is the second time in my life that I've lived through a mess like this, I sure hope there are no more such debacles.
Sorry to have to break the news to you, but if BO continues the hat-in-hand Carter-lite foreign policy approach, we can pretty much plan on it. The same sort of missteps (Iran 1979) that created the circumstances that brought about numerous unnecessary wars like the five that followed Carter's screw up will be inevitable.
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