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Old 05-05-2009, 11:46 AM
 
Location: Up in the air
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Can you honestly argue that calling the creation myth "superstitious nonsense" does not, by extention, say that Christianity, which holds that myth as a fundamental tenet, is wrong?
Sects of Hinduism, Islam and Judaism also hold tenets of the creationism myth (which closely mirror that of Christianity, considering they're all Abrahamic religions), as do MANY native american (and this is from North America through South America) and especially African tribes. Different types of Chinese religion also hold to creationism.
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Old 05-05-2009, 11:47 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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A good Komosol knew to proclaim that "religion was the opium of the masses" and that only Stalin could provide candies for the children. The Pole child challenged the idea that religion was "superstitious nonsense" and was laughed at by his peers. Apologies that there are no subtitles.
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Old 05-05-2009, 11:47 AM
 
Location: Richland, Washington
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If someone wants to learn about dark age superstition in school, then they should do it in bible class, not science class which teaches facts, not fiction. The teacher was merely expressing the truth of creationism.
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Old 05-05-2009, 11:47 AM
 
Location: Texas
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The article says the judge believed the teacher said it in reference to a previous case where a teacher had objected to teaching evolution on religious grounds. To me that puts it in the context of science versus creationism, the point I tried to make with Aeroguydc.
I have no problem with what he said for that reason. He was simply stating why he disagreed with the other teacher, although he certainly he could have chosen better wording.
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Old 05-05-2009, 11:49 AM
 
Location: Martinsville, NJ
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Sects of Hinduism, Islam and Judaism also hold tenets of the creationism myth (which closely mirror that of Christianity, considering they're all Abrahamic religions), as do MANY native american (and this is from North America through South America) and especially African tribes. Different types of Chinese religion also hold to creationism.
Yes, they all hold in the creationsm myth. Therefore, yes, this teacher, by caling creationism "superstitious nonsense" is saying that all these religions, and not soley Christianity, are wrong.
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Old 05-05-2009, 11:49 AM
 
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I believe your liberal cohorts on this thread will disagree with you. They have repeatedly stated that creationism is pushed by Christianity. The teacher said "Creationism is Superstitious Nonsense", which by liberal standards, is saying Christianity is wrong.
I don't know where you are going with the whole liberal thing, but those are two completely different sentences and how an individual chooses to read into a sentence is entirely subjective to that person. You can only take the statement at face value, and it does not single out any religion.

Christianity is not the only religion with a creation story, in fact most religions have one.

This is just a case of special pleading. You should be able to criticize ideas that are proven to be false over and over again.
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Old 05-05-2009, 11:52 AM
 
Location: Texas
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I don't think so. However you wish to characterize creationism in a public forum, it is a fundamental part of some religious belief. The court's decision is simply holding that the classroom is neutral territory for this debate. The teacher's comments were not neutral.

Depending on what the topic was in that classroom, it may or may not be "neutral." The public schools give instruction in academic subjects, not religious dogma. In most cases, the two are incompatible.
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Old 05-05-2009, 11:52 AM
 
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Sects of Hinduism, Islam and Judaism also hold tenets of the creationism myth (which closely mirror that of Christianity, considering they're all Abrahamic religions), as do MANY native american (and this is from North America through South America) and especially African tribes. Different types of Chinese religion also hold to creationism.
Not to beat a dead horse, but linguistically speaking, common usage of the word "creationism" refers to the Biblical explanation of creation. While various religions have creation myths, generally speaking we would not consider the creation myths of the Maori tribes or of the Swahili or the Australian Aborigines as creationism. We would simply refer to them as creation myths. So when the teacher condemned creationism, it is certainly reasonable, especially in light of the context of his comments, to see those comments as judgments of Christian creationism.
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Old 05-05-2009, 11:53 AM
 
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If someone wants to learn about dark age superstition in school, then they should do it in bible class, not science class which teaches facts, not fiction. The teacher was merely expressing the truth of creationism.
This teacher wasn't in the science classroom.

And he was expressing his opinion of creationism, which is a far cry from expounding on the truth.
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Old 05-05-2009, 11:55 AM
 
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Not to beat a dead horse, but linguistically speaking, common usage of the word "creationism" refers to the Biblical explanation of creation. While various religions have creation myths, generally speaking we would not consider the creation myths of the Maori tribes or of the Swahili or the Australian Aborigines as creationism. We would simply refer to them as creation myths. So when the teacher condemned creationism, it is certainly reasonable, especially in light of the context of his comments, to see those comments as judgments of Christian creationism.
I would consider all creation stories creationism. I think that your egotism about your religion is what makes you feel this way.
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