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There are definitely similarities between Pentapolis (the five cities of the plains which included not only Sodom and Gamorrah, but Admah, Zeboiim and Zoar as well).
Taking my cue from the Talmud (the original source of the Old Testament) the cities of the Pentapolis were destroyed for their pride and greed.
"The Sodomites, overweeningly proud of their numbers and the extent of their wealth, showed themselves insolent to men and impious to the Divinity, insomuch that they no more remembered the benefits that they had received from him, hated foreigners and declined all intercourse with others. Indignant at this conduct, God accordingly resolved to chastise them for their arrogance." (Josephus, Antiquities I: 194-5)
Further, according to Jewish tradition, again the original source for the Old Testament, the sin of Sodom and Gomorrah was related to property;
The men of Sodom waxed haughty only on account of the good which the Holy One, blessed be He, had lavished upon them...They said: Since there cometh forth bread out of (our) earth, and it hath the dust of gold, why should we suffer wayfarers, who come to us only to deplete our wealth. Come, let us abolish the practice of travelling in our land.
There were four judges in Sodom named Shakrai (Liar), Shakurai (Awful Liar), Zayyafi (Forger), and Mazle Dina (Perverter of Justice). Now if a man assaulted his neighbour's wife and bruised her, they would say to the husband, Give her to him, that she may become pregnant for thee. If one cut off the ear of his neighbour's ass, they would order, Give it to him until it grows again.
Rabbi Ze'era said: The men of Sodom were the wealthy men of prosperity, on account of the good and fruitful land whereon they dwelt... Rabbi Nathaniel said: The men of Sodom had no consideration for the honour of their Owner by not distributing food to the wayfarer and stranger, but they even fenced in all the trees on top above their fruit so that so that they should not be seized; not even by the bird of heaven... Rabbi Joshua... said: They appointed over themselves judges who were lying judges, and they oppressed every wayfarer and stranger who entered Sodom by their perverse judgment, and they sent them forth naked...
An example of the sins of Sodom provided by the Jewish Encyclopedia fully illustrates the similarities between Sodom and the U.S.
"In Sodom every one who gave bread and water to the poor was condemned to death by fire (Yalḳ., Gen. 83). Two girls, one poor and the other rich, went to a well; and the former gave the latter her jug of water, receiving in return a vessel containing bread. When this became known, both were burned alive (ib.)."
Sounds like Republican/conservative thinking to me.
Great post, ovcatto. The bible also tells us that Lot, in protecting the angels, offered up his daughters to the crowd in their place. Happily, insisting that your daughters be available to guests for sexual gratification never really caught on.
Great post, ovcatto. The bible also tells us that Lot, in protecting the angels, offered up his daughters to the crowd in their place. Happily, insisting that your daughters be available to guests for sexual gratification never really caught on.
Another mistranslation.
Jewish scholars argue that later translations of the early Hebrew text mistranslated enowsh to mean men, when the literal translation is "mortal." So the crowd of unspecified sexuality called for Lot's guest they had no idea as to their sex. Additionally, in offering his virgin daughters, Lot in all likelihood was not offering them up sexually but as objects of ritual human sacrifice.
well world war 2 looked a lot like armageddon.. and it wasn't...
it certainly fit the bill...
I'm not objected to the idea of a god out there or THE one and only GOD, but I don't believe a god would be out to destroy innocent people because of public policy in the nation...
Denmark has 2 decades on us, and I haven't seen the wrath of god destroy them yet.. so..
It's easy to see how republicans can get away with fear tactics in conjuring up votes, they're only simply doing what the religious leaders do in gathering "flocks" and laughing all the way to the bank while he/she drives around town in a new mercedes...
THOSE people are the ones that will rot in hell if it exists...
besides, I think the bible says that judgement shall begin within the lord's own house..
so when i start seeing you bigots getting the smack down from above... I'll re-evaluate my position.. until then.. I'll look forward to the day I can marry my hubby!
Jewish scholars argue that later translations of the early Hebrew text mistranslated enowsh to mean men, when the literal translation is "mortal." So the crowd of unspecified sexuality called for Lot's guest they had no idea as to their sex. Additionally, in offering his virgin daughters, Lot in all likelihood was not offering them up sexually but as objects of ritual human sacrifice.
Ye gods! It only gets worse! If I mention the ineptitude of those who translated from the Greek and Aramaic for the King James version, people are almost as upset as they become when I mention what many historians believe was James's sexual preference.
YES WE CAN!!! Expedite the turning of this nation in to the most vile, secular, pagan country on earth. This time it's gay marriage, next time it will be legal pedophilia. All the while those who try to maintain their lifestyle by Biblical principles are ridiculed, marginalized and considered hate mongers. It won't be much longer and the Bible will be censored. A teacher can lose her job for wearing a cross necklace while all of the homo's in San Francisco can parade down the street barely dressed and taking part in lewd acts. One Pastor called it "moral decay". But the thing about it is that the Bible tells us all of this will happen in the last days....
You do know in the Middle Ages, Pope Alex IV had incest with his daughter. Open up the history book, end of times peoiple
You don't have to read between the lines much to see it in Romans:
"27 And, in like manner, the men also, leaving the natural use of the women, have burned in their lusts one towards another, men with men working that which is filthy, and receiving in themselves the recompense which was due to their error. 28 And as they liked not to have God in their knowledge, God delivered them up to a reprobate sense, to do those things which are not convenient; 29 Being filled with all iniquity, malice, fornication, avarice, wickedness, full of envy, murder, contention, deceit, malignity, whisperers, 30 Detractors, hateful to God, contumelious, proud, haughty, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 Foolish, dissolute, without affection, without fidelity, without mercy. 32 Who, having known the justice of God, did not understand that they who do such things, are worthy of death; and not only they that do them, but they also that consent to them that do them."
That's often quoted out of context. Read the whole of Romans 1 and lookup pagan fertility gods and sex rituals of the time. You might find that reading homosexuality into that verse is definitely "reading between the lines".
Paul was writing about the people he had converted to Christianity, but who had then gone back to their prior Pagan worship of fertility gods.
This fertility god worship included ritual sex worship in pagan temples where drugs were often used to whip the worshippers into a sexual frenzy. The heterosexual worshippers would get involved in orgies, with everyone having sex with each other including those of the same sex. This was not their normal practice outside the temple walls - hence they "exchanged their natural use" etc.
This verse is NOT about homosexuality. Homosexuals are not heterosexuals who sometimes have homosexual sex to worship a pagan god.
The verse is about Christians abandoning the Christian God and reverting to pagan worship.
It means it's natural for men to make love with women, not men...
You mean it's natural for Heterosexual men to make love with women.
Oh and it's also natural for lesbians to make love woth women too.
Those ex-Christian pagan worshippers weren't "making love" in those temples, they were having drunken drugged wild orgy sex - probably with anything that had a zip code.
It's definitely like Rome right before the barbarians invaded and sacked it. You know the romans relied on slaves just like we rely on illegals today? Even our government is taking on appearances of the roman senate with its intrigues and machinations and excesses.
They don't call him "Caesar Barrackus Obamus" for nothing.
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