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Old 07-28-2011, 11:50 PM
 
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My theory: (feel free to pick it apart in a mature intelligent debate)

The USG didn't commit the event, but knew of it. I firmly believe one foreign nation played a part in the events of Sept 11, and that nation would be Israel. (spare me your cries of anti semitism please)

Heres why: The first step in solving any crime is to ask cui bono (who benefits?)

Lets look at who reaped the benefits of 9/11.

Israel: They now have their big badass protector planted squarely between Israel and their enemy, Iran.

Defense Contractors: Untold billions of dollars to be made in wartime.

The U.S. Government: Use the event as an excuse to pass even more freedom infringing laws (Patriot Act, etc etc)

The evidence against Israel:

a) Even an Israeli newspaper (Haaretz) printed an article about an Israeli firm receiving prior warning (Odigo)

Odigo, the instant messaging service, says that two of its workers received messages two hours before the Twin Towers attack on September 11 predicting the attack would happen

b) It's not like Israel is as great of a friend as they claim to be:

http://theforbiddentruth.net/attachments/america/19d1238897433-fox-news-israeli-spyring-israelis_fox.jpg (broken link)



c)The sheer astronomical odds that a former Israeli special forces operator from the Israeli version of Delta (Sayeret Matkal, who incidentally specialize in many activities including storming a hijacked aircraft) would be seated directly in front of one of the alleged hijackers and was supposedly the first person killed on flight 11. From a group with such small numbers with specialized skill sets, the odds of an operator of that caliber just happening to be on the first flight hijacked are too high to be just a coincidence.

Those are just 3 of the many reasons I believe Israel was involved in the events of Sept 11. Feel free to debate them, or any other facet of the "theory", such as the Israeli Movers.

Lets keep it fact based.
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Old 07-29-2011, 07:45 AM
 
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The evidence against Israel:

a) Even an Israeli newspaper (Haaretz) printed an article about an Israeli firm receiving prior warning (Odigo)
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oh no not the Odigo story again

Odigo, the instant messaging service, says that two of its workers received messages two hours before the Twin Towers attack on September 11 predicting the attack would happen, and the company has been cooperating with Israeli and American law enforcement, including the FBI, in trying to find the original sender of the message predicting the attack.

Micha Macover, CEO of the company, said the two workers received the messages and immediately after the terror attack informed the company's management, which immediately contacted the Israeli security services, which brought in the FBI.

"I have no idea why the message was sent to these two workers, who don't know the sender. It may just have been someone who was joking and turned out they accidentally got it right. And I don't know if our information was useful in any of the arrests the FBI has made," said Macover. Odigo is a U.S.-based company whose headquarters are in New York, with offices in Herzliya.
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/S...rassID=/has%5C



So, problem #1 : the company say nothing about telling their employees to “leave the building”. They told no-one about the message until after the attacks. But didn’t they feel under threat? No, these employees were in Israel, not America.

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Alex Diamandis, vice president of sales and marketing, confirmed
that workers in Odigo's research and development and international
sales office in Israel received a warning from another Odigo user
approximately two hours prior to the first attack.
http://amenusa.org/prior.htm

Still, the message did predict the attack, right? NOPE

Odigo Vice President of Sales and Marketing... Alex Diamandis today in a telephone interview also said the warning message did not identify the World Trade Center as the attack target.
http://amenusa.org/prior.htm

That explains why they didn’t notify their employees in the towers, then -- they didn’t know the attack was coming after all. In fact for all we know, the message could have been something very vague that only seemed meaningful later: “America will pay for its crimes, and sooner than anyone believes”. That seems plausible from the comment Alex Diamandis made in another article.

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There is another reason why Odigo didn’t alert their WTC employees, of course. They didn’t have any offices there.

Odigo's New York office is located four blocks from the site of the World Trade Center, in an area that was blocked off for a short time following the attacks.
Real History and the World Trade Center

And just by way of completeness, it doesn’t even seem Odigo had “hundreds” of employees to flee the WTC office that, uh, they didn’t have.

[June 13th 2001]
The Odigo team consists of 80 employees.
www.ruksun.com

And also, once you know the full story, another question comes to mind. If this is supposed to be a "warning", why send it to people in Israel who would be unaffected by the event? And not give them enough information to warn colleagues closer to the attacks, in New York? It doesn't make sense, and without knowing the message text, it certainly doesn't prove foreknowledge.




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odigo debunked
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Old 07-29-2011, 08:58 AM
 
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Your aggressive nature is a bit much as others have noticed. It kinda reminds me of this guy.
Kim Jong-il - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
yeah, being pissed off at people who accuse my aunt and uncle of being part of the conspiracy (yes you truthers are accusing them of being murderers) is like being Kim Jon Il.

That is why truthers are not regarded as being sane.
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Old 07-29-2011, 09:06 AM
 
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My theory: (feel free to pick it apart in a mature intelligent debate)

The USG didn't commit the event, but knew of it
Care to support this?

Please point to any report, that specifically stated:

A group of terrorist will use planes to crash them into the World Trade Center towers on 9/11/2001


What is nice is that hindsight is 20/20. We had the information (and they weren't specific), but laws and POLICIES prevented several of our govt agencies from SHARING that information.

The only information that the Govt received was that there were plans of an attack on the US

HOWEVER

1) There was NO specific information on when
2) THERE WAS no specific information on how
3) IT WASN'T surprising that our agencies were aware of terrorist plans. THEY GET REPORTS EVERY SINGLE DAY that there are plans to attack the US. THIS IS NOT A SURPRISE. OUR NATION IS Threatened EVERY SINGLE DAY. The problem is, what CLAIMS, what THREATS are credible?


Al Quaeda has been on our watch list for nearly 8 years by the time 9/11 happened. Bin Laden a suspect since his mug was placed on the FBI watch list in 1993, since the FIRST WTC bombing.

But please point to us, share with us, exactly the reports that specifically stated the plans, and the US govt allowed it to happen.

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I firmly believe one foreign nation played a part in the events of Sept 11, and that nation would be Israel. (spare me your cries of anti semitism please)

If you have no proof, then you are deserving of the Anti-semitism label. Without proof, you are accusing an entire nation of terrorist acts.

Can we now accuse you of murder without proof? Why don't we?


You're a murderer. I don't know who you killed and when, I have no proof, but I know you are murderer.


That's basically as much proof I have about you being a murderer as you having proof that Israel was part of the 9/11


BTW, we know who was responsible. It was the guy that was killed in Pakistan in May.


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Heres why: The first step in solving any crime is to ask cui bono (who benefits?)

Lets look at who reaped the benefits of 9/11.

Israel: They now have their big badass protector planted squarely between Israel and their enemy, Iran.

Israel did not benefit from 9/11. The fact that you mentiosn this, shows that you don't understand what happened.

Can you not trot out make believe and imaginary BS?


Lets keep it to facts? You have yet to present any.
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Old 07-29-2011, 09:12 AM
 
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yeah, being pissed off at people who accuse my aunt and uncle of being part of the conspiracy (yes you truthers are accusing them of being murderers) is like being Kim Jon Il.

That is why truthers are not regarded as being sane.
I don't think "truthers" are particularly fond of eerie-sponsorable people.

Who's your sponsor, dude?
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Old 07-29-2011, 12:52 PM
 
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Care to support this?


BTW, we know who was responsible. It was the guy that was killed in Pakistan in May.
Other than the words of a criminally corrupt government with a history of lying, do you have any proof Bin Laden was responsible?

No, you do not.


Able Danger was tracking numerous suspects when it was mysteriously shut down and all data was shelved.


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Israel did not benefit from 9/11. The fact that you mentiosn this, shows that you don't understand what happened.
They sure as hell reaped a benefit from 9/11. It got their big tough friend (the U.S.) into their neighborhood which would act as a deterrent against Syria or Iran taking any action against Israel.
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Old 07-29-2011, 01:40 PM
 
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yeah, being pissed off at people who accuse my aunt and uncle of being part of the conspiracy (yes you truthers are accusing them of being murderers) is like being Kim Jon Il.

That is why truthers are not regarded as being sane.
Wow. So many things "messed up" in that statement.

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