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Old 05-17-2009, 02:47 PM
 
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"I want to thank you for this honorary degree," Obama said early in his speech at commencement exercises. "I know it has not been without controversy."
He then spoke of the difficulties in attempting to "bridge the cultural divide" involving controversial issues.
"Those who speak out against stem cell research may be rooted in an admirable conviction about the sacredness of life, but so are the parents of a child with juvenile diabetes who are convinced that their son's or daughter's hardships might be relieved," he said.
Obama calls for civility in abortion debate in speech at Notre Dame
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Old 05-17-2009, 02:49 PM
 
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Obama did not come to Notre Dame to debate. He came to give a graduation speech. Obviously you are unable to make this crucial distinction. So much for college education.
YES he did. I also enjoyed his speech. How can anyone applaud rule people?
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Old 05-17-2009, 02:49 PM
 
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this is not a thread to debate abortion.

I beleive this is a thread to speak upon Obama's speech and those who protested.

The basis of the original post was:

"I am watching B. Hussein Obama's commencement speech at Notre Dame, and I was glad to hear people stand up and shout. I normally do not condone that kind of stuff, but what our President supports is inhuman (no, I don't mean inhumane). He supports killing a baby after it is born (partial birth abortion) ......"



Since the point was being made, on incorrect information, that information should be (and is) part of the discussion.

Of course who is going to dispute "as heard on Fox News"?].
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Old 05-17-2009, 02:54 PM
 
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The opening post also mentions Dr. King and Mrs. Parks. I don't think their fight was based on moral issues.
However, many rude people were taken out I am pleased they were ejected.
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Old 05-17-2009, 02:55 PM
 
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So by that logic you should be allowed to kill your child if it a "mother [needs to have any say so over her own [...] life" right?

I mean, you are advocating partial birth abortion, which means that the baby has been born, is breathing, and can certainly survive on it's own. Therefore, if you want to be truly liberating you should allow the woman a right to kill her teenager, after all, according to you libs, a born baby is part of a woman's body, therefore a woman can have control over it. Hey, an 80 year old's DNA comes from their mother, therefore it is their mother's body, right?

Liberal logic, what an oxymoron!
I've never met, held, seen, fed, played with a "partially birthed human"(talk about oxymoron)..So I wouldn't know how a mother could kill one. We can go on and on about semantics but I'm pro-choice all day..It's legal, will most likely remain that way and I'm happy about it. You can express your opinion all you want and expound on it with ridiculous metaphors(as above) but in the end YOU DONT HAVE TO GET AN ABORTION.
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Old 05-17-2009, 03:00 PM
 
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He was great and they loved him. No graduates walked out, two protestors were escorted out and they just reported that about ten students (non-grads) walked out.

Better to have no protest if you can't make an impact. Not much impact seen today.

Can't rep you again right now tank and meson, but funny posts!
Vlad Putin would appreciate your sentiments.
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Old 05-17-2009, 03:05 PM
 
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The basis of the original post was:

"I am watching B. Hussein Obama's commencement speech at Notre Dame, and I was glad to hear people stand up and shout. I normally do not condone that kind of stuff, but what our President supports is inhuman (no, I don't mean inhumane). He supports killing a baby after it is born (partial birth abortion) ......"


Since the point was being made, on incorrect information, that information should be (and is) part of the discussion.

Of course who is going to dispute "as heard on Fox News"?].
Thank you to the protestors at Notre Dame
title to thread.

statement by OP was supportive in their own opinion and thoughts. I didn't see it as an opporunity to start a heated debate about abortion where in the thread would be closed. Sorry for wanting to be a odd source of reason but I see that it is wasted here.
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Old 05-17-2009, 03:08 PM
 
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Obama did not come to Notre Dame to debate. He came to give a graduation speech. Obviously you are unable to make this crucial distinction. So much for college education.
And here we have the one thing about this issue that makes me sad. I have no gripe against protestors. Political protests are part of what makes America great, IMO. But graduation ceremonies are supposed to be about honoring students for their achievements. It's supposed to be their big day... instead, this graduation has been hijacked for a political cause. To me, that's kind of sad.

But since the ceremony did get hijacked, let's take a look at this protest. The thing I found striking was that none of the protestors removed from the ceremony were graduating students.

I mean, c'mon--what's up with that? We've been hearing for weeks that it was the graduating students who were so upset that Obama was arriving, so how come they needed to bring in people to crash the ceremony?

I was expecting to see a walkout... but I thought it would be several hundred members of the graduating class who'd walk out. Maybe even the entire graduating class. Now that would have been a statement.

Three paltry little hecklers was all they could come up with? Vs. how many hundreds of people who then booed the hecklers and clapped for the president? After all that publicity, all that build up? For pete's sake, they even paid a plane to fly a banner around for a week or so, that should have inspired at least a dozen of the grads to walk out.... if the issue was, indeed, as offensive to catholic students as the protestors were trying to claim.

From my point of view, the student body has spoken... and the vast majority were surprisingly supportive of Obama.

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Old 05-17-2009, 03:19 PM
 
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<snip>But graduation ceremonies are supposed to be about honoring students for their achievements. It's supposed to be their big day... instead, this graduation has been hijacked for a political cause. To me, that's kind of sad.
I don't think the graduates were bothered too much Normie!
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On campus, Obama entered the arena to thunderous applause and a standing ovation from many in the crowd of 12,000. But as the president began his commencement address, at least three protesters interrupted it. One yelled, "Stop killing our children."
The graduates responded by chanting "Yes we can"
Obama calls for understanding in Notre Dame speech - Washington Times
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Old 05-17-2009, 03:20 PM
 
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If we find a single-cell organism on Mars, the U.S will be proclaiming that there is "life" on Mars. Whenever an abortion is carried out, that organism is conveniently not considered "life" in the name of abdigating personal responsibility.

Barrack Obama is the spokesperson for such hypocrisy - and his sheep follow in lockstep.

Embarrassing to humanity.

Notre Dame will suffer through reduced donations and endowments. Mark my word.
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