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Old 11-05-2010, 11:22 AM
 
Location: McKinleyville, California
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And it's just a fact that homosexual priests have been abusing adolescent boys/young men for many years. Not girls.

And since we can all marry within certain parameters...why change now? I can't marry same gender..why should anyone else be able to?
You are basically telling gays and lesbians that they should live a lie, marry a straight person and screw that persons life up. Would you want to marry a person who did not love you and only married you because of society and religion? How would you feel if you found out your spouse was homosexual and lying to you all along? History shows that laws cannot be created that makes a group of people less that others. It the 60's it was interracial marriage and it was not just a white and black issue, whites were expected/required to marry whites, black to black, asian to asian and so on. The issue with gay marriage is the same whether you like it or not. I refuse to be put in a closet by anyone, especially christians who should keep their beliefs in their fantasy bible to themselves and not force others to believe the way they do.
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Old 11-06-2010, 01:01 AM
 
Location: Prepperland
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Interesting. However you cited the Sixth edition - which is outdated.
When it comes to legal references, the older is the better.
The "System" has been sanitizing** dictionaries for years.

In fact, get a fourth edition, if you can find one at a yard sale - far better definitions - which include the underlying court cases and better commentary.

Also check out Bouvier's 1856 edition (some are online).
Very very enlightening. Not perfect. But what is, in life?

Also get Vattel's "The Law of Nations". Look up "resident".
Fun stuff.
LAW OF NATIONS, CHAPTER XIX, Section 212 : "Residents", as distinguished from citizens, are aliens who are permitted to take up a permanent abode in the country. Being bound to the society by reason of their dwelling in it, they are subject to its laws so long as they remain there, and, being protected by it,
they must defend it, although they do not enjoy all the rights of citizens. They have only certain privileges which the law, or custom, gives them. Permanent Residents are those who have been given the right of perpetual residence. They are a sort of citizens of a less privileged character, and are subject to the society without enjoying all its advantages. Their children succeed to their status; for the right of perpetual residence is given them by the State passes to the children.
Sounds a lot like what the 14th amendment citizenship granted - for they can only "Reside" in states as "Residents". But I digress.

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So where does it say that couples (there is nothing about one man and one woman) must have progeny for a marriage contract to be valid?
Look up curtesy and dower, the common law rights of survivors of the marriage... in an older dictionary. They were abolished in 1945 - for the enumerated socialists.
DOWER- The provision which the law makes for a widow out of the lands or tenements of her husband, for her support and nurture of her children. 2 Bl. Comm. 130 ... A species of life estate which a woman is, by law, entitled to claim on the death of her husband ... Dower has been abolished in the majority of the states and materially altered in most others.
- - - Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition, p. 492

DOWER BY COMMON LAW - The ordinary kind of dower in English and American law, consisting of a life interest in one-third of the lands of which the husband was seised in fee at any time during the coverture. 2 Bl. Comm. 1332. Abolished by the Administration of Estates Act, 1945, Sec. 45.
- - - Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition, p. 493
(The child(ren) inherited the other 2/3rds of the lands.)
CURTESY - The estate to which by common law a man is entitled, on the death of his wife, in the lands or tenements of which she was seised in possession in fee-simple or in tail during her coverture, provided they have had lawful issue born alive which might have been capable of inheriting the estate. It is a freehold estate for the term of his natural life. ... in most states it has been abolished or otherwise materially altered.
- - - Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition, p. 383
In short, if there were no children of the marriage, the deceased's blood kin had a superior claim to the property. Which goes back to the original purpose of marriage - joining two property rights for the benefit of progeny. If no progeny - no permanent joining beyond death (which also made sure successive spouses didn't get control of property that was not rightfully theirs).

If you are not familiar with common law rights, that is no surprise. The compact for socialist insecurity waived common law rights, and substituted the terms of the compact. But if you dig into pre-1933 law, you will find copious references that the common law supersedes the statutory law, where the parties have common law standing.

In fact, the rules of the common law are enshrined in the seventh amendment, USCON.

Of course, since 1933, no one has used "dollars", hence have no recourse to the rules of the common law.


**What I mean by sanitizing.
Look up the modern definition for a dollar in the latest dictionaries.
It says 100 pennies. Then look up a penny - it says 1/100 of a dollar. Circular definition.

The older dictionaries quoted the Coinage Act of 1792, and used the correct weights of silver, etc.

(No one said "reading the law" was not an exercise in frustration. "They" have been running this scam for more than a lifetime.)
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Old 11-06-2010, 07:42 AM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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In response to the progeny thing.

I guess a 70 year old man and woman can't marry then?

Can't gays just adopt?

Thats a stupid argument.
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Old 11-06-2010, 12:00 PM
 
Location: North Pacific
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You are definitely still a kid, believing everything your parents tell you and not questioning authority.
Have you sought out evidence that god is really real besides listening to what the preacher says on Sunday or swallowing the Koolaid your parents feed you that god is real?

Some of us don't believe heaven is real and there are even people out there who believe gays and lesbians can go to heaven.
Please expand your horizons to that outside of Mountain Home, you'll be a lot better for it.
I'm not a kid and I've always questioned the atheist seemingly acts of authority on the basis what they deem real.

To address the op, many are now not marrying but obtaining co-habitation agreements. See jetgraphics posts to understand the reasoning.
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