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Old 06-07-2009, 09:05 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Please remember what happened to Israel's neighbors when they attempted to push her into the sea in the 6-day war.

An Israel without restraints, unfettered and unleashed, would be way more than any of the Arab states could handle.
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Old 06-07-2009, 09:11 PM
 
Location: Great Falls, Montana
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Please remember what happened to Israel's neighbors when they attempted to push her into the sea in the 6-day war.

An Israel without restraints, unfettered and unleashed, would be way more than any of the Arab states could handle.
I agree. Israel is a tough gal. I remember the 6 day war. A real bang bang shoot 'em up affair that one was.

I just don't understand why we have to be in the middle of it all.

If Israel were left to her muse, things would settle down quick in the ME.
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Old 06-07-2009, 09:19 PM
 
Location: Mississauga
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I agree. Israel is a tough gal. I remember the 6 day war. A real bang bang shoot 'em up affair that one was.

I just don't understand why we have to be in the middle of it all.

If Israel were left to her muse, things would settle down quick in the ME.
So do you think the U.S should sell and aid in military technology to Israel? If no than Israel wouldn't do to well left to her own muse.
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Old 06-07-2009, 09:21 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Of course we should.

Being one of a few democracies in the area, she needs to be supported.

I do believe obama will find a way to cut her off, though.
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Old 06-07-2009, 09:27 PM
 
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Of course we should.

Being one of a few democracies in the area, she needs to be supported.

I do believe obama will find a way to cut her off, though.
I am assuming you don't mind paying for it out of higher taxes are joining the military to do the fighting.
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Old 06-07-2009, 09:30 PM
 
Location: Mississauga
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I know i'm going back, but locating Israel in the M.E after WWII was a complete disaster that keeps playing over and over and over again...
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Old 06-07-2009, 09:34 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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I am assuming you don't mind paying for it out of higher taxes are joining the military to do the fighting.
Why should anything change? We have been supporting Israel for decades. This is one example of foreign aid I'm all for.
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Old 06-07-2009, 09:39 PM
 
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Why should anything change? We have been supporting Israel for decades. This is one example of foreign aid I'm all for.
You are talking about military intervention. Takes money, which would cost more than we are giving now. Would you be willing to pay higher taxes to cover the additional costs or at least join the military instead.
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Old 06-07-2009, 09:58 PM
 
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I seriously, seriously doubt Israel will get slaughtered in a ground war, not unless all the differing factions within the ME get their crap all in one pile. Six-Day War tell you anything?
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By who?
To the two quotes above, ok, if no one out there can whoop Israel, then why give them all the aid and support if they don't really need it?

The 2006 Lebanon War ring a bell? You know the conflict where Hezbollah were using modern anti-tank infantry missiles from Russia and pretty much waxed a bunch of their main Merkava battle tanks?

No they didn't whoop Israel, but they showed the Israeli's that with modern armaments, the battlefield outside of Gaza or the West Bank is no cake walk.


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Might have been orchestrated by the White House, telling Israel to knock off settlement expansion and letting the Arabs know that they are expected to respect Israel's right to exist.
I would tend to agree with this. Obama's speech in Cario made several shots across the Iranian bow. While open to talks with them in hopes of separating extremist from moderates, the language was clear as to the US position concerning Israel.
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Old 06-07-2009, 10:04 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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To the two quotes above, ok, if no one out there can whoop Israel, then why give them all the aid and support if they don't really need it?

The 2006 Lebanon War ring a bell? You know the conflict where Hezbollah were using modern anti-tank infantry missiles from Russia and pretty much waxed a bunch of their main Merkava battle tanks?

No they didn't whoop Israel, but they showed the Israeli's that with modern armaments, the battlefield outside of Gaza or the West Bank is no cake walk.
Israel was constrained by the civilian population. They were not "unleashed" as they would be if attacked or invaded. It would be a civilian tragedy on both sides.

If Israel truly wanted to wipe Hamas or Hezbollah from the map, they could very easily, but the civilian casualties would be tremendous. If they are attacked, the gloves truly come off.
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