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The government is broke because they have made a series of wrongly motivated financial decisions and they are sleazy individuals who couldn't care less about you or anyone else. Crackheads are broke because they have made a series of wrongly motivated financial decisions and they are sleazy individuals who couldn't care less about you or anyone else. Why would you trust either of them to make important healthcare decisions on your behalf when they have something to gain by screwing you? I personally just don't see a difference. Your mother in law making this decision is far different from some heartless beancounter beurocrat deciding on her behalf.
NO ONE is suggesting that the govt. make these decisions! NO ONE! Get a grip!
Bedridden does not mean you never get up. It simply means you require a lot of assistance to get out of bed.
And in the case of BO's grandmother, once she would have been assisted out of bed she wouldn't be going anywhere because she would still have a broken hip. Had this hip been replaced, she could spend her last few days, weeks or months enjoying a little more dignity than a written off lump of human refuse who cannot go to the grocery store for herself because she has to hurry up and die.
This is why I'm a conservative. I'm proud to be one of the people who oppose this Orwellian manipulation of our traditional American values. The left will do for the terminally ill and elderly what they did for life in the womb.
The government is broke because they have made a series of wrongly motivated financial decisions and they are sleazy individuals who couldn't care less about you or anyone else. Crackheads are broke because they have made a series of wrongly motivated financial decisions and they are sleazy individuals who couldn't care less about you or anyone else. Why would you trust either of them to make important healthcare decisions on your behalf when they have something to gain by screwing you? I personally just don't see a difference. Your mother in law making this decision is far different from some heartless beancounter beurocrat deciding on her behalf.
Oh yes, we can trust insurance companies, which make a profit from denying claims, to make our health care decisions!
One account of first-hand experience with a health insurance company.
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People who are caring and decent in their personal lives dispassionately read the scripted reasons why they are denying medicines -- which, for you, may literally mean the difference between life and death -- over the phone.
"That drug is not on our list," she says.
"We need more clinical proof that you need this medicine."
And in the case of BO's grandmother, once she would have been assisted out of bed she wouldn't be going anywhere because she would still have a broken hip. Had this hip been replaced, she could spend her last few days, weeks or months enjoying a little more dignity than a written off lump of human refuse who cannot go to the grocery store for herself because she has to hurry up and die.
This is why I'm a conservative. I'm proud to be one of the people who oppose this Orwellian manipulation of our traditional American values. The left will do for the terminally ill and elderly what they did for life in the womb.
I don't think any of us know the situation as well as the patient and her doctor. It's inappropriate to say, "they could have done this", "they could have done that", etc.
And in the case of BO's grandmother, once she would have been assisted out of bed she wouldn't be going anywhere because she would still have a broken hip. Had this hip been replaced, she could spend her last few days, weeks or months enjoying a little more dignity than a written off lump of human refuse who cannot go to the grocery store for herself because she has to hurry up and die.
This is why I'm a conservative. I'm proud to be one of the people who oppose this Orwellian manipulation of our traditional American values. The left will do for the terminally ill and elderly what they did for life in the womb.
momonkey, first you want everything done for a patient where there is no hope. Then you complain that our government is broke.
Originally Posted by momonkey
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The government is broke because they have made a series of wrongly motivated financial decisions and they are sleazy individuals who couldn't care less about you or anyone else. Crackheads are broke because they have made a series of wrongly motivated financial decisions and they are sleazy individuals who couldn't care less about you or anyone else. Why would you trust either of them to make important healthcare decisions on your behalf when they have something to gain by screwing you? I personally just don't see a difference. Your mother in law making this decision is far different from some heartless beancounter beurocrat deciding on her behalf.
You are all over the map. Impossible to have a reasonable discussion with you!
Not to mention, the patient would never heal from the surgery!
Well, I'm pretty sure I'm the only person in this conversation who has had both hips replaced. I walked the same day with a walker and the pain was almost non-existent. Are you telling me if I were terminally ill I couldn't talk to the people I love during my final weeks, months or years because I would be blasted out of my skull with pain medication needed for the hip injury that a government employee would find "futile" to correct?
And in the case of BO's grandmother, once she would have been assisted out of bed she wouldn't be going anywhere because she would still have a broken hip. Had this hip been replaced, she could spend her last few days, weeks or months enjoying a little more dignity than a written off lump of human refuse who cannot go to the grocery store for herself because she has to hurry up and die.
This is why I'm a conservative. I'm proud to be one of the people who oppose this Orwellian manipulation of our traditional American values. The left will do for the terminally ill and elderly what they did for life in the womb.
Quit being so dramatic. If Obama's grandma had had the surgery as you recommend, she would not have been able to go to the grocery store at all coz she would have been dead at the operating table (or shortly thereafter) from complications, given how sick she already was from her underlying cancer.
You have simply failed to demonstrate how Obama's grandma's care was inappropriate.
Well, I'm pretty sure I'm the only person in this conversation who has had both hips replaced. I walked the same day with a walker and the pain was almost non-existent. Are you telling me if I were terminally ill I couldn't talk to the people I love during my final weeks, months or years because I would be blasted out of my skull with pain medication needed for the hip injury that a government employee would find "futile" to correct?
Sorry momonkey, your experience is not the medical textbook for everyone.
You do not have a understanding of medicine and therefore cannot make decisions for medical care. Your argument is exactly why these decisions should be made by doctors, not insurance companies and not the government.
Well, I'm pretty sure I'm the only person in this conversation who has had both hips replaced. I walked the same day with a walker and the pain was almost non-existent. Are you telling me if I were terminally ill I couldn't talk to the people I love during my final weeks, months or years because I would be blasted out of my skull with pain medication needed for the hip injury that a government employee would find "futile" to correct?
Of course not! You obviously were not terminally ill with cancer when you had your hip replacements. I am glad you had such a good recovery.
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