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Great, then it's settled. The legal citizens of the US who are unable to get insurance from their employer will receive Medicare and the employers who don't provide insurance will pay part of their employees premiums the same way they would if they offered private insurance. The government on their part will be prohibited from anti-trust activities like operating at a loss to drive out competition. They'll have to pay their way just like private insurance. Keeping private insurance in the game will keep everyone honest. Anything about that you disagree with?
Yes, let’s get rid of insurance companies altogether. They have a conflict of interest. Paying for healthcare benefits decreases their profits. The government needs to conserve spending as much as possible, remember?
Make one risk pool which includes all citizens and run it similar to Medicare.
Blood tests show when organs are failing and death is imminent. Extraordinary yet useless efforts to save a life during the last days are where medical cost is enormous. The last days of life, not months, is what this post is about.
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Quit being so dramatic. If Obama's grandma had had the surgery as you recommend, she would not have been able to go to the grocery store at all coz she would have been dead at the operating table (or shortly thereafter) from complications, given how sick she already was from her underlying cancer.
You have simply failed to demonstrate how Obama's grandma's care was inappropriate.
Not really the point I'm making anyways. The issue is allowing the government to have the power to decide who is or is not terminal is not unlike giving tem the power to decide who is expendable, i.e., "useless eaters".
Not really the point I'm making anyways. The issue is allowing the government to have the power to decide who is or is not terminal is not unlike giving tem the power to decide who is expendable, i.e., "useless eaters".
The government doesn't decide who is or is not terminal for Medicare recipients so why would they otherwise. I know they did try with Terri Schiavo but those Republicans who tried this for political gain are gone now. You can relax.
The hip joint would not be funtioning or come in handy if the patient's medical condition does not allow for healing from the surgery!
I will dumb it down for you. Dying patient + surgery = dying patient in pain from sugery and who doesn't live long enough to realize any benefits from the surgery.
I won't return your insult.
Who decides who is or is not going to live long enough to benefit from the surgury?
You think the gov. has an account set aside for you which holds the money you paid in?
You think you can get it in a lump sum? Hahahaha.
Do your heirs receive you SS payments after you die? Sorry to tell you this but you are in a ponzi scheme called social security.
No, thanks to the democrats there is no social security trust fund,...and NO, no one thinks that social security can be collected in a lump sum. But, YES the government took my money for DECADES, and YES it is MY money they took, not my father's, mother's, brother's, aunt's or uncle's. The contention that the federal government doesn't owe those who paid into the system because of government ineptitude is not relevant.
When and IF I start social security benefits, it will be based upon CONTRIBUTIONS that were paid to the government by myself, and a few employers years ago. So, yes the money is mine, not the collective's, and it is a sum that IS owed by the government.
If the govenment would agree to pay lumpsum what I have paid over the decades, then I would gladly not participate in the program.
No, thanks to the democrats there is no social security trust fund,...and NO, no one thinks that social security can be collected in a lump sum. But, YES the government took my money for DECADES, and YES it is MY money they took, not my father's, mother's, brother's, aunt's or uncle's. The contention that the federal government doesn't owe those who paid into the system because of government ineptitude is not relevant.
When and IF I start social security benefits, it will be based upon CONTRIBUTIONS that were paid to the government by myself, and a few employers years ago. So, yes the money is mine, not the collective's, and it is a sum that IS owed by the government.
If the govenment would agree to pay lumpsum what I have paid over the decades, then I would gladly not participate in the program.
Maybe, but I believe Social Security was collected under both Democrats and Republicans. The accounting of which is the topic for another thread. I only remember a national surplus of $$ under the last Democratic pres. which became a deficit soon after by a Republican predecessor.
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