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Old 08-05-2009, 03:06 PM
 
Location: Northglenn, Colorado
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vicky, the point is to have one person who represents each group...kinda like Congress....you've heard of that probably
here is the problem though. They are not restrained by the constitution like Congress is. They circumvent Congress.
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Old 08-05-2009, 06:08 PM
 
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here is the problem though. They are not restrained by the constitution like Congress is. They circumvent Congress.
They just report, dont they? The czar is the point man.
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Old 08-05-2009, 06:31 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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They just report, dont they? The czar is the point man.
They can oversee spending of money and head committees.
They can make deals as well.
They are part of the Executive branch and do not report to Congress nor do they have to report to anyone except the President.
They are not regulated or audited.

They can claim Executive privlege should they be called to testify to Congress.

Other than that above, yeah they just report unless Obama wants them to do something else.
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Old 08-05-2009, 06:45 PM
 
Location: Northglenn, Colorado
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They just report, dont they? The czar is the point man.
some do, some do not. One example of a Czar's work is the Salary Czar Kenneth R. Feinberg has the powers to review and set caps on salaries and bonuses received by CEO's of private businesses that receive government money.

The Car Czar is allowed to write the guidelines for $15 billion in stop-gap loans, and set the terms for and oversee the restructuring of any carmaker that takes a loan.


the Health Care Czar is in charge of setting up a board to establish standards for health-care delivery. It would only oversee the public health systems (Medicare, Medicaid, Veterans Administration, etc.) - which provide about 32 percent of health care nationwide.

They take on more powers than just being Obama's taddle tales.

This stuff should be left up to Congress, not some group of people that only answer to the president, and not have to adhere to the constitution.

This is not something new in government, and it should most definitely be stopped. Bush had a circus of Czars, all the way back to when FDR called them Dictators.
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Old 08-05-2009, 06:51 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Is this a shadow government? Not reviewed, vetted, confirmed by the Congress.

What is the point?
How many czars are confessed Communists and Marxists? I know 0bama loves to pal around with and associate with these types of people, so it would not surprise me to see a few less well know William Ayers types in his administration of Czars..
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Old 08-05-2009, 06:59 PM
 
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Is this a shadow government? Not reviewed, vetted, confirmed by the Congress.

What is the point?
This is nothing new going back to the days of Andrew Jackson....

read:
Kitchen Cabinet

Kitchen Cabinet - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 08-05-2009, 07:11 PM
 
Location: Northglenn, Colorado
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This is nothing new going back to the days of Andrew Jackson....

read:
Kitchen Cabinet

Kitchen Cabinet - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
so what you are saying, is that Andrew Jackson appointed his friends into Constitutionally provided positions, that are to uphold the Constitution. how does that compare to Czars? I do not see anything about them in the constitution
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Old 08-05-2009, 09:20 PM
 
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How many czars are confessed Communists and Marxists? I know 0bama loves to pal around with and associate with these types of people, so it would not surprise me to see a few less well know William Ayers types in his administration of Czars..
Do research this and report back, Agent 10132095.
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Old 08-05-2009, 09:21 PM
 
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so what you are saying, is that Andrew Jackson appointed his friends into Constitutionally provided positions, that are to uphold the Constitution. how does that compare to Czars? I do not see anything about them in the constitution
did you read the link...?
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Old 08-05-2009, 09:23 PM
 
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some do, some do not. One example of a Czar's work is the Salary Czar Kenneth R. Feinberg has the powers to review and set caps on salaries and bonuses received by CEO's of private businesses that receive government money.

The Car Czar is allowed to write the guidelines for $15 billion in stop-gap loans, and set the terms for and oversee the restructuring of any carmaker that takes a loan.


the Health Care Czar is in charge of setting up a board to establish standards for health-care delivery. It would only oversee the public health systems (Medicare, Medicaid, Veterans Administration, etc.) - which provide about 32 percent of health care nationwide.

They take on more powers than just being Obama's taddle tales.

This stuff should be left up to Congress, not some group of people that only answer to the president, and not have to adhere to the constitution.

This is not something new in government, and it should most definitely be stopped. Bush had a circus of Czars, all the way back to when FDR called them Dictators.
Thanks

Arent they like heads of departments in a company, who report to the CEO?

I dont think these "czars" have the un-overrideable (?) power they're reputed to have.
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