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Obviously they are not.. which is why you have what is deemed as the UNDERINSURED.
And the standards are NOT SET out as they are in this bill.
With regard to the max out of pocket etc that an insurance is allowed to charge individuals above and beyond their premiums.
For example.. yeah.. you canbuy a $100 policy a month and face a $6,000 out of pocket ( high deductables etc).. this is just an example off the top of my head..
For example.. yeah.. you canbuy a $100 policy a month and face a $6,000 out of pocket ( high deductables etc).. this is just an example off the top of my head..
First off - you have made statements about what you perceive to be untruths -
And, why don't you attend one of the "town halls" in your area? Why don't you go and see, and hear - with your own eyes - your own ears, what is being said?
I am afraid to go because the right-wing nut jobs might break out in violence!
This is a very long post and for that I apologize for that, but it's very worth reading. I felt it deserved it's own thread.
Another poster had posted what she had heard Peter Fleckstein say about Obama's Health Care Plan.
To much to read through xx number of pages of posts, so I will just respond to the OP.
First of all it isn't "Obama's Health Care Plan", much as I would like to blame him. Just like the stimulus package - it is Pelosi and co's bill. It's being written up by congress.
But, in regards to your long post which was well thought out. Most aren't concerned at that detailed level even. It comes to one solid fact: The proponent of the Health Care Plan have not been able to articulate the benifits of the plan. There is alot of misinformation coming through from both parties, both for and against, but it's a level playing field. If Obama or Pelosi or others cannot explain the benifits on this plan, and what this plan will really accomplish, the people of America will not support it. The fact that they cannot is telling, very telling.
But, these are the main issue that people are concerned about, not your details:
1.) This is not Health Care Reform at all - not one single person really believes it will save money. It's Health Care Entitlement, nothing more. The CBO put a reality check on the cost of this program - $1 trillion dollars with not even all uninsured being covered.
2.) The government will force the private insurance out of business. Sure, they say that your private insurance won't be effected. But down the road - you will be forced into the government program. Almost every analyst know this, and the american people know this. People like their own insurance for the most part.
3.) People just don't trust the government. That's one thing the Democrats don't get. The vote for Obama wasn't a vote for him, it was a vote against the government and for a new guy. Now HE is the government. Americans don't want a bigger government, Americans don't trust their government.
4.) People don't believe the government (almost a repeat of #3). No new taxes for the middle class to pay for this healthcare? Yeah right, tell us another fable. We will pay for it, one way or another. The only thing we don't know is - how much will we be paying for it.
I have read this thread through and I don't know whether to laugh or cry about all the misinformation - on a thread that is about clearing up misinformation.
It will disgust you more if you read the entire article about how much money these people have received from big pharma and their denial of how it influences them
The worst part is that Bush allowed Medicare part D to have the provision that they could never negotiate for lower drug prices. Bush literally gave a blank check to the pharmaceutical companies! I wonder what the pharmaceutical companies gave to Bush!
Frankly, anyone in the health care business will attest to the fact that a license is no guarantee that practitioners will perform adequately, all the time. Just ask any nurse in a hospital.
In my own experience, I observed that the "bone specialist" put a cast on my daughter's broken leg in the wrong place. She was in so much pain, she kicked off the cast. I had to splint her leg, myself. And when I showed the cast to my G.P., he was amazed. So don't be so sure that licensing "protects" the people from "quacks" and "wackadoos".
In any profession there is NO 100% guarantee that the licensed person is actually very good at what they did. What I DO know is that they atleast recieved the education and passed the tests required. I'm also much more comfortable, as I'm sure is most of the population with a licensed doctor than I am with some guy who sets up shop in his basement and puts out a sign saying that he will treat illneses etc.
if he is THAT good without a license.. he'll be that good WITH the license. And , let's face it, you can't be a Doctor without the education and training. If you want to live like that.. then perhaps you can set yourself up in the outback and find yourself a self proclaimed witch doctor or healer.. but I for one, knowing that not even thoes that DID pass hte STANDARDs are 100% am CERTAINLY not going to put my life in the hands of someone that isn't at the very least licensed.
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And for that matter, the title "doctor" was originally attributed to those honorable people who TAUGHT. Physicians were held in such low regard that they assumed the title (and airs) that went along with it. And as we all know, physicians are only obligated to teach their art to the children of other doctors. The hoi polloi must grovel to get admission into their esteemed education system. (Bah humbug)
My brother is a doctor because he achieved his DOCTORATE level of education.. but he is not a MEDICAL Doctor.. so the term DOCTOR applies to DOCTORS because they ACHIEVED A DOCTORATE level of education. They attain the MEDICAL or MD title as a DOCTORATE of MEDICINE. It annotes a level of education and training! Simple. I will take THAT title over NONE anyday in regards to someone who is giong to treat me.
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Do not make the sweeping generalization that we must only have government supervised medical care, via licensing. Frankly, a license to practice medicine is permission to commit manslaughter without criminal liability. That is why you can only sue for civil damages. A physician is immune from criminal prosecution as long as he performs to the approved standards - no matter if those standards are correct or not
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Doctors must follow the hypocritical oath. If a doctor doesn't, if a doctor purposefully kills you for no other reasons than to kill you with intention to kill you..then it's murder. A doctor who is losing patients left and right will also lose his license if found to be ..well a horrible doctor. Same reason why a cop in most circumstances is not convicted of a crime if they are found to operate within the scope of their training etc.
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I leave it to more ambitious students to compile a list of all the wrong treatments that were the standard practice in medicine. Or the omissions such as washing one's hands before surgery. Or keeping patients warm while under anesthesia.
Again.. mistakes are made.. and medicine has advanced.. Standards are set up based on our knowledge of medicine.. STandars of care improve as our knowledge of better ways to do things grow. I mean at one time electro shock therapy WAS the standard for treating psychosis.. we now know there are better ways. It doesn't make the treatmenet criminal.. it was the standard then.. standards improve..
First.. in order to practice medicine you need the education. Would you trust your medical cares/concerns to someone that was not educated properly in medicine to work on you, heal you ore help you? If someone is going to go through all that training..then what is the problem with requiring them to pass a Licensing test? That is only the LAST step. Otherwise any Tom Dick or Harry can set up shop, charge you and say they can treat you and meanwhile they know ****E and aren't fully qualified to do so!
You cannot send your Christmas Cards, your Birthday cards etc by FedEX or UPS.
These are First Class Mail.
Sure you can. FedEX or UPS will deliver a card if you pay them! It would just cost you a heck of a lot more than the US postal office charges!
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