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You know, I think it's real suspicious that all you public option supporters KNOW SO MUCH about what's in these bills. Notice I said the plural BILLS. There are a few of them, which one are you actually talking about? How do YOU understand what they say with all of their blurry legal jargon? The real answer is you have no clue. BUT, since you and many on here are paid DNC activists out here to spread your propaganda, you MUST have a cheat sheet supplied to you by the WH. There is NO WAY that anyone here can understand what ANY of those multiple bills say, so how can you be so sure about your backing of it? That is also simple, YOU ARE BEING PAID TO SAY WHAT YOU ARE SAYING!
You mean instead of losing it because you had the nerve to get sick and you might actually cost the insurance company some money? If the gov plan is BETTER than what I have through work (which is pretty good and not free) than why not sign onto the gov plan?
If I have to pay higher taxes so that the person worse off than I am can get some freaking medical care, who cares???? How much do you think it is actually going to cost you on a monthly basis in taxes to ensure that every citizen of the US has coverage? Is it going to be more or less than what we are currently paying for ALL THE UNINSURED? Come on, you all act like you have a magic 8 ball that can give you these particular answers so spill it.
You have no idea how things work. You and I are not responsible for the well being of others. Hopefully, we have enough in our own lives to concern ourselves with. The Government plan will NOT be better than private plans. It never is. The Government run Healthcare programs (Medicare, Medicaid, Indian Health Service, VA, etc) have $ 35 Trillion + in unfunded liabilities. The people in IHS and the VA receive lower quality care with longer waits. Many Physicians won't touch Medicaid with a 10 foot pole, not to mention the fact it is bankrupting the states.
If you WANT to pay higher taxes, go right ahead. There is a way to pay more than you owe for the purpose of paying off the national debt. The point is other should NOT be obligated to do so based on your ideology or anyone else's. If you want to donate t charities that hep fund Medical care, more power to you.
It's not my obligation to ensure that every American resident has Health insurance. It may sound harsh, but so be it. If I lose my coverage, I would not expect that the fruits of others' labor be confiscated to guarantee my Health insurance. Nobody is owed anything by virtue of being alive. If we need to provide Health insurance, why not BMWs as well? Why not life insurance, renters or homeowners insurance, auto insurance, notebooks, clothes, shoes, televisions, iPods? Where does it stop with the imagined 'rights?'
Something does not become a right just b/c a group of people badly wish it were a right.
You have no idea how things work. You and I are not responsible for the well being of others. Hopefully, we have enough in our own lives to concern ourselves with. The Government plan will NOT be better than private plans. It never is. The Government run Healthcare programs (Medicare, Medicaid, Indian Health Service, VA, etc) have $ 35 Trillion + in unfunded liabilities. The people in IHS and the VA receive lower quality care with longer waits. Many Physicians won't touch Medicaid with a 10 foot pole, not to mention the fact it is bankrupting the states.
If you WANT to pay higher taxes, go right ahead. There is a way to pay more than you owe for the purpose of paying off the national debt. The point is other should NOT be obligated to do so based on your ideology or anyone else's. If you want to donate t charities that hep fund Medical care, more power to you.
It's not my obligation to ensure that every American resident has Health insurance. It may sound harsh, but so be it. If I lose my coverage, I would not expect that the fruits of others' labor be confiscated to guarantee my Health insurance. Nobody is owed anything by virtue of being alive. If we need to provide Health insurance, why not BMWs as well? Why not life insurance, renters or homeowners insurance, auto insurance, notebooks, clothes, shoes, televisions, iPods? Where does it stop with the imagined 'rights?'
Something does not become a right just b/c a group of people badly wish it were a right.
I don't know how it works??? I have health insurance and a disease that will pretty much ensure that I cannot find coverage on my own. I know that if I lose my job or my employer stops offering insurance I would be s.o.l. I haven't had friends and relatives lose their insurance because it became too expensive to cover them? How do YOU know the gov plan wouldn't be better? It is certainly better than nothing. I never said it would. I just said if it were, I would happily switch.
It may not be your responsibility to pay for health insurance but you are certainly paying for those without already. Comparing health insurance with a BMW is perhaps the most stupid thing I have read in awhile. One can live without a BMW or car for that matter but one cannot live for long without medical care when they are gravely ill.
I fear there is no hope for this country when health care and the well being of the country as a whole are being compared to Ipods, BMW's, notebooks, etc.
If you WANT to pay higher taxes, go right ahead. There is a way to pay more than you owe for the purpose of paying off the national debt. The point is other should NOT be obligated to do so based on your ideology or anyone else's.
Oh YEA! I can start reducing my tax obligation by how much of my tax dollars go to support wars I'm ideologically opposed to! Who'da thunk?!!
The best thing that can happen is to have the Republicans in charge of the Congress. That will mean stalemate in DC. That is when the people are protected best. Logjam means power to the people.
Love them logjams! Bill Clinton was at his most productive when forced to be responsible by the 1994 mid-term elections that reversed his Democratic majority. Obama is going to have the same rude awakening. A suggestion to Obama...toss Rahm out and start actually being president.
I don't know how it works??? I have health insurance and a disease that will pretty much ensure that I cannot find coverage on my own. I know that if I lose my job or my employer stops offering insurance I would be s.o.l. I haven't had friends and relatives lose their insurance because it became too expensive to cover them? How do YOU know the gov plan wouldn't be better? It is certainly better than nothing. I never said it would. I just said if it were, I would happily switch.
It may not be your responsibility to pay for health insurance but you are certainly paying for those without already. Comparing health insurance with a BMW is perhaps the most stupid thing I have read in awhile. One can live without a BMW or car for that matter but one cannot live for long without medical care when they are gravely ill.
I fear there is no hope for this country when health care and the well being of the country as a whole are being compared to Ipods, BMW's, notebooks, etc.
Nobody is owed anything by virtue of their existence. That includes 'needs' such as Health insurance and 'wants' such as iPods. What's stupid is assuming I place the same importance on Health insurance and BMWs. The point was that people are not entitled to anything that is a cost-funded service, be it important or trivial things as highlighted above.
There is no hope if the country is populated by leftists who think everyone is entitled to Health insurance on the backs of others' labor. We have tens of millions (if not 100 million+) who pay NOTHING in taxes. They contribute nothing to the system, so why should tax payers (especially high earners, who are already way overtaxed) pay even more in taxes to provide entitlements? You can not pay Peter without first robbing Paul. Taxes are not the only way Paul can be robbed, as borrowing takes money away from other pursuits and burdens future generations or printing money which weakens the currency and raises prices (hurting people on the lower end the most).
Your case is unfortunate, but hoping the Government will save you is not wise. Government plans are better than nothing, but they are not the answer. There is no constitutional basis for them to intervene as far as they already have in the Healthcare industry, let alone take it over. If insurance companies were forced to take everyone and not deny any claims, they would either fold or dramatically raise their premiums. Either way, costs would soar. Again, that's not to say denials are 'right,' but you have to consider the business aspects of it.
Nobody is owed anything by virtue of their existence.
Our Founding Fathers profoundly disagreed with you.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
Our Founding Fathers profoundly disagreed with you.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
Wrong. They aren't there to do what "they" feel is right. They are our representatives, and should be doing what "we" think is right.
=( @ your understanding of representative democracy.
At any rate, to anyone who's been observing this farce, it is hard to make the argument that republicans really want or ever have wanted meaningful health reform. How do you have a productive discussion when the other side believes that you want to euthanise the elderly and disabled?
At some point, you have to realise that the feeling is not mutual.
Our Founding Fathers profoundly disagreed with you.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
I don't see Health Care in there.
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