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Old 08-21-2009, 04:07 PM
 
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O-o-o-o-o-o-h. Thanks for clearing that up for the six billion or so people on the planet who previously thought otherwise.
The Holocost was the result of big government. Not small government or capitalism.

I'm not saying either party in the U.S. is Nazism. But, the Nazi's were clearly about big central government. You can't kill that many people without a big, powerful federal government. It can't be done by a weak federal government. So, when people say that the Nazis and Nazi policies were left they would be correct. Nazis were about a strong federal government. Democrats are about a strong fedral government.

One thing I have never figured out. The Nazis killed Jews. Republicans are pro-Israel. Yet, Democrats are always calling Republicans Nazis?

How can a Nazi be pro-Israel? Makes no sense.

If George Bush was a Nazi like most of the Left claims why didn't he "cook" evidence up against Israel? Why Iraq? Iraq was a big enemey of Israel. If Bush was a Nazi he damn sure was a pathetic one. Giving weapons and monetary aid and whot not to the Jews. If the Republicans were Hitler lovers and Nazis like the left claims then they would have gone into Israel. Not Israels enemy.

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Old 08-21-2009, 04:13 PM
 
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In other words, they think for themselves and do not take what you say as being the only side to an issue? Gee, that must be frustrating for you.
I don't see why, since I don't ask anyone to take what I say as being the only side to any issue at all. What I DO ask is that in considering any side of any issue, people rely to the greatest extent possible upon actual fact and actual reason. Those who are either unwilling or unable to accomplish that much should have enough Personal Responsibility® to admit as much to themselves and hold their tongues just a bit until they can manage to become just a wee bit more sure of themselves.
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Old 08-21-2009, 04:17 PM
 
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Nazis were about a strong federal government. Democrats are about a strong fedral government.
To quote Barney Frank: "On what planet do you spend most of your time?"

George W. Bush and the Republican Congress build up the biggest federal government we've ever had in American history.

As far back as 2003, Bush had already spent more than Bill Clinton or Jimmy Carter, and this is according to The Cato Institute.

"Conservative" Bush Spends More than "Liberal" Presidents Clinton, Carter | Veronique de Rugy and Tad DeHaven | Cato Institute: Daily Commentary
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Old 08-21-2009, 04:26 PM
 
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Ah, equivocation! That is squirming in the liberal vocabulary. And it didn't answer the question. Either you are robbing your employer or lying. Either one speaks volumes on your credibility.
LOL. Goes only to your proclivity for misunderstanding the language. I indicate that I work as an analyst and advisor to both the executive and legislative branches, and you promptly jump to the conclusion -- not at all suggested -- that I work for the government. You might want to note that your various right-wing puppet-masters take regular advantage of this sort of weakness in you and in many others. They say one thing, hoping that you will conclude another...and then you do.
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Old 08-21-2009, 04:28 PM
 
Location: Baltimore
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The Holocost was the result of big government. Not small government or capitalism.

I'm not saying either party in the U.S. is Nazism. But, the Nazi's were clearly about big central government. You can't kill that many people without a big, powerful federal government. It can't be done by a weak federal government. So, when people say that the Nazis and Nazi policies were left they would be correct. Nazis were about a strong federal government. Democrats are about a strong fedral government.

One thing I have never figured out. The Nazis killed Jews. Republicans are pro-Israel. Yet, Democrats are always calling Republicans Nazis?

How can a Nazi be pro-Israel? Makes no sense.

If George Bush was a Nazi like most of the Left claims why didn't he "cook" evidence up against Israel? Why Iraq? Iraq was a big enemey of Israel. If Bush was a Nazi he damn sure was a pathetic one. Giving weapons and monetary aid and whot not to the Jews. If the Republicans were Hitler lovers and Nazis like the left claims then they would have gone into Israel. Not Israels enemy.

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[MOD CUT] The Holocaust was the result of fascism, hatred of Jews, and rampant nationalism that the terms forced upon Germany through the Versailles Treaty in many ways created. Open a history book.

As for your trying to compare American politics in the 21 century to Nazi Germany, it's beyond moronic and devalues the memory of those who suffered under Nazi policies.

“Regardless of the political differences and the substantive differences in the debate over health care, the use of Nazi symbolism is outrageous, offensive and inappropriate,” said Abraham H. Foxman, [Anti-Defamation League] National Director and a Holocaust survivor. “Americans should be able to disagree on the issues without coloring it with Nazi imagery and comparisons to Hitler. This is not where the debate should be at all.”
The Washington Independent » Anti-Defamation League Condemns Limbaugh: “Deeply Offensive”

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Old 08-21-2009, 04:29 PM
 
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The Holocost was the result of big government. Not small government or capitalism.

I'm not saying either party in the U.S. is Nazism. But, the Nazi's were clearly about big central government. You can't kill that many people without a big, powerful federal government. It can't be done by a weak federal government. So, when people say that the Nazis and Nazi policies were left they would be correct. Nazis were about a strong federal government. Democrats are about a strong fedral government.

One thing I have never figured out. The Nazis killed Jews. Republicans are pro-Israel. Yet, Democrats are always calling Republicans Nazis?

How can a Nazi be pro-Israel? Makes no sense.

If George Bush was a Nazi like most of the Left claims why didn't he "cook" evidence up against Israel? Why Iraq? Iraq was a big enemey of Israel. If Bush was a Nazi he damn sure was a pathetic one. Giving weapons and monetary aid and whot not to the Jews. If the Republicans were Hitler lovers and Nazis like the left claims then they would have gone into Israel. Not Israels enemy.

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[MOD CUT] Because the only definition of a nazi is someone who hates jews. Well just to let you know, this woman was harrassing not only a jew, but a gay jew at this town hall meeting. It is painfully obvious to the world that if you had to pick the most accepting party out of democrats and republicans, democrats would win in a landslide. I don't know what health care has to do with nazis... But it is actually rewarding to see republicans grasping at straws to make the most terrible comparisons and arguments ever brought into American politics.

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Old 08-21-2009, 04:30 PM
 
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To quote Barney Frank: "On what planet do you spend most of your time?"

George W. Bush and the Republican Congress build up the biggest federal government we've ever had in American history.

As far back as 2003, Bush had already spent more than Bill Clinton or Jimmy Carter, and this is according to The Cato Institute.

"Conservative" Bush Spends More than "Liberal" Presidents Clinton, Carter | Veronique de Rugy and Tad DeHaven | Cato Institute: Daily Commentary

I know that. I never said I was a fan of George Bush. Maybe I wasn't clear. The average Republican voter wants a small fedral government. The average retard, I mean Liberal, wants a strong federal government.

I also find it ironic that Liberals hated Bush so much. He is a liberal. He expanded the government more than any person in history. Libs should love him.

Answer the main question I posed though. If you know the answer.

Democrats repeatedly refer to Republicans as Nazis. The goal of Nazism was to kill Jews. When it was time for Republicans to lie about a country and invade they picked one of the Jews main enemy. Republicans also lie about how bad Iran is.

If George was a Nazi then shouldn't he have lied about Israel? Shouldn't he have been on the side of Iraq and Iran?

I guess people that call Bush and/or Republicans are living on another planet. How can a bunch of Republican Nazis love the Jews and Isreal?

It is a rhetorical question. [MOD CUT/flaming]

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Old 08-21-2009, 04:35 PM
 
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Brother Barney is right...

God bless our HERO, our Big Brother, OBAMA!

He's marching America to a tyrannical socialist penal colony, where everything not mandatory is forbidden. We shall be compelled to work - as good socialist peons - and if we don't do our "Fair Share", we shall be punished. And if you object, that is prima facie evidence that you're insane, unAmerican, and an EXTREMIST.

What about the Declaration of Independence?

Did it not say that governments are instituted among men to secure inalienable rights to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness?

Right to life means doing any harmless action in support of that right.
Liberty means natural and personal liberty - the absolute freedom over one's private property and the freedom to travel upon the public rights of way.

Did you read that governments are instituted to deny rights, deny liberties, and deny your pursuits. Did some one change the rules so that we must first get permission (license) from the servant government? Did some one change the rules so we can no longer marry, hold jobs, enter occupations, open businesses, have a dog, or travel without first registering for licenses and paying fees? Did some one change the fundamental rules, so that compulsory service to the State (aka Socialist Collective) is constitutional?

Wasn't involuntary servitude forbidden by the 13th amendment?

Oh, right, I forgot - - - America's national socialism is VOLUNTARY servitude.

There's no law that compels all Americans to enroll into Socialist InSecurity. Nor is there any law that punishes any American who does not participate. It is 100% consensual - phew!

Of course, 300 million Americans have been misled to believe that they need to get "their number" before they can work in their own country.

See how simple it all is?

Obama is only walking the path that we, the people, put him on. By ballot, by consent, and by widespread ignorance, we have surrendered our birthright, our endowment from our Creator, and have enslaved ourselves, and our beloved children. We cannot blame the elected officials, when we embraced the chains we placed around our own necks. Those honorable public servants are burdened with administering a nation of mindless morons who don't bother to read the laws on the books - nor expect their elected officials to read the laws they enact.

Welcome to the United Socialist States of America.
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Old 08-21-2009, 04:39 PM
 
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[MOD CUT] Because the only definition of a nazi is someone who hates jews. Well just to let you know, this woman was harrassing not only a jew, but a gay jew at this town hall meeting. It is painfully obvious to the world that if you had to pick the most accepting party out of democrats and republicans, democrats would win in a landslide. I don't know what health care has to do with nazis... But it is actually rewarding to see republicans grasping at straws to make the most terrible comparisons and arguments ever brought into American politics.

[MOD CUT/personal attack].

LOLs. I never voted for Bush. I never said care had anything to do with Nazis.

I said democrats accused Bush of being a Nazi time and again. Yet Bush was pro-Israel. Did not the Nazis kill 9 million Jews or so?

How can George Bush be considered a Nazi if he is pro-Israel/Jew.

And I never said the democratic party was Nazism. I don't even think that.

I said democrats want a strong federal government. So did the Nazis. And you can't kill 9 million without a strong government.

I also think it's strange that these democratic congressmen and woman call people that go to town meetings nazis, mobsters, KKK members and what not. Then they act all offended because people get upset at that. I'm not really sure what kind of reaction they expected.

It's also funny to watch Democrats grasping at straws to get this healthcare bill through. They been wanting this for 40 years. They now have the Presidency, the Senate and the House. They don't need one republican vote. And they still can't get it passed. That's why I say democrats are retarded. They should have had this thing passed and implemented by now. Aint nobody stopping them. Instead they run around and blame insurance companies and the Nazis. LOLs.

You want to know why I don't want this bill to pass? Because I lived in Cuba for awhile. I have seen government run healthcare. I think everyone should move there. I don't care what party supports it. I don't want it. If we get then so be it. You'll see what I'm talking about in 10 years or so.

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Old 08-21-2009, 04:40 PM
 
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Having delusions of grandeur again?
Not hardly, but some do seem to be suffering from delusions of competence. When you whine that others are disregarding alleged "evidence to the contrary", you are accepting an obligation to provide pertinent and well-supported examples of such evidence. Though reminded of that obligation, you have persisted in a failure to heed it.
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