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Old 08-19-2009, 09:27 PM
 
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ESPECIALLY education. If people start to see fetus' as children, the left will never be able to continue this wonderful trend of more abortions.

What's the harm in letting them see the child they're about to abort? If they don't think there's anything wrong with it, they won't be affected by seeing their child before they kill it, right?
So you're for government intervention in YOUR medical decisions?
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Old 08-19-2009, 09:30 PM
 
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So you're for government intervention in YOUR medical decisions?
So you're for the government staying out of medical decisions? (see how I did that? Turned it around on you? )

If there's nothing wrong with abortion, what's wrong with showing them the child, I mean, fetus they're going to destroy? Shouldn't make a bit of difference, right?
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Old 08-19-2009, 09:41 PM
 
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Yes, and self-righteous Puritanical witch hunters want to work a guilt trip on them...., manipulate, control women.....and, if they could get away with it, put a big Scarlet letter "A" on the chest of women who have abortions.

As Ovacatto said, they don't want the government to control them but want the government to control women.......what two-faced jerks!
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So you're for the government staying out of medical decisions? (see how I did that? Turned it around on you? )"""


You learned well, grasshopper, however I was never in favor of government being involved in medical decisions....and neither is Obama's health care plan. But YOU stated that you are.(see below)


""""If there's nothing wrong with abortion, what's wrong with showing them the child, I mean, fetus they're going to destroy? Shouldn't make a bit of difference, right?


No one said it wouldn't make a difference ....but it's still a decision between a woman and her doctor.....not the government or some old frustrated biddy(of either sex) to decide.
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Old 08-19-2009, 09:43 PM
 
Location: Sierra Vista, AZ
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I've always thought it should be legal until the 75th trimester
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Old 08-19-2009, 09:46 PM
 
Location: San Antonio North
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So you're saying that women who get abortions should be considered stupid. Great.
No simply a HUGE MAJORITY could have made a better decision.
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Old 08-19-2009, 09:47 PM
 
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No simply a HUGE MAJORITY could have made a better decision.
According to you.
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Old 08-20-2009, 12:29 AM
 
Location: San Antonio North
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According to you.
IS being responsible when you have sex that much to ask?
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Old 08-20-2009, 12:34 AM
 
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IS being responsible when you have sex that much to ask?
No, but mistakes occur, and circumstances change.
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Old 08-20-2009, 04:29 AM
 
Location: St. Joseph Area
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Yes, and self-righteous Puritanical witch hunters want to work a guilt trip on them...., manipulate, control women.....and, if they could get away with it, put a big Scarlet letter "A" on the chest of women who have abortions.

As Ovacatto said, they don't want the government to control them but want the government to control women.......what two-faced jerks!
Well what gets me is the hypocricy of claiming you're "pro-life" when it comes to unborn kids, right up until they're born, then the day after they're born say "It's none of the government's business" or "You're taking away my freedom!" Sorry, you can't have it both ways.

What I find funny is that each side sees a difference between unborn and born children. To me the only difference is location. One is outside, another is inside the womb. But I think I'm the only person on the planet that thinks this way.
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Old 08-20-2009, 07:24 AM
 
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So you're for the government staying out of medical decisions? (see how I did that? Turned it around on you? )
Wow sufficiently proud of yourself it would seem.

Sorry to burst your bubble. Just because some one is in favor of government funded healthcare--govt. involvement-- does not mean that they give up the right to refuse medical care or medical treatment, they are only advocating for the government to provide it not that they have to accept it.

This is why the law should not pass constitutional muster. You can't make someone have a procedure that they don't want. In this case an ultrasound, and you can't make someone look at the results of the procedure. Sorry, I don't think that even the most conservative members of the supreme court would allow this. This is at the core of conservative ideology. Self determination.

Constitutionally you don't even have to address the abortion issue. The case would be decided on the issue above, because it is more of a slam dunk.
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