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Old 08-25-2009, 02:19 PM
 
Location: La lune et les étoiles
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Originally Posted by Sunny-Days90 View Post
Obama never says AMERICAN people.

He always says 47 million people IN America meaning he wants to cover all those illegals.

Its called get a job people, if you do not have insurance then you either are a loser who have never worked or did something to yourself like smoke or drink etc to stop your chances of getting it.

Most hard working people who have taken care of themselves have insurance so why should those of us who do pay for those who do not?

Get a job or two and pay for your own damn insurance.

Lets sign all those illegals up with ObamaScare so we know who they are and where they are and then start the planes out of here with all of those criminals back to where they belong.
The typical "I got mine so F### everybody else" attitude.

But I am sure that this person wouldn't give up their "Socialism" Secuirty checks.
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Old 08-25-2009, 02:24 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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BTw.. those that make $50K CAN'T afford health insurance.. the higher paying ones.. yes..

But lets face facts.

Average income in America $56K
Avg cost of covering family of 4 $12K

That's 22% of a families salary. THAT is just about equivilent to a second mortgage or rent.

Also..it doesn't take into account those that have pre-existing conditions that can't obtain insurance at the REGULAR rate already unaffordable.. never mind the double and even TRIPLE premiums they are charged for insurance companies that would actually cover them!!

Let's also consider that healthcare cost rise at 12% a year.. salaries at 2.5% a year!!!

And um.. there has NEVER been a study that actually determines how many of the uninsured are that by CHOICe.

On paper it looks as if people can afford it.. because they are OVER the poverty line.. BUT AGAIN.. when you factor in that cost have risen at 12% a year and actual salaries at 2.5%.. you do the math!!! Of course it becomes unaffordable!!!!!!!!!
You are forgetting to add in the second wage earner. Most married couples are covered under one of their plans. so let's say that one makes 56k and the other makes 40k. That's 96k. subtract 12k from that. Those are more realistic numbers.
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Old 08-25-2009, 02:30 PM
 
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You are forgetting to add in the second wage earner. Most married couples are covered under one of their plans. so let's say that one makes 56k and the other makes 40k. That's 96k. subtract 12k from that. Those are more realistic numbers.
No, Robert. That 56k IS average household income. You might consider that over 12% of the households in the United States actually have an income less than 20k.
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Old 08-25-2009, 02:31 PM
 
Location: La lune et les étoiles
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You are forgetting to add in the second wage earner. Most married couples are covered under one of their plans. so let's say that one makes 56k and the other makes 40k. That's 96k. subtract 12k from that. Those are more realistic numbers.
The average household is making about $50k with two wage earners. What are you missing?

Every American is not making $40 - 50k/year.

Two wager earners with children will require childcare services which are approximately $200-300 per week. So subtract about $10-15k/ year from that $50k.
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Old 08-25-2009, 02:32 PM
 
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Originally Posted by monkeywrenching View Post
power corrupts, all you have to do is to look at washington dc to see this.

I would rather be raped by the insurance companies trying to make a profit, than be screwed over by our corrupt goverment only looking to steal more money out of our pocketbooks to pay the HC of those that dont want it or cannot pay for it.
Wow!

The financial sector = good.
Poor people = bad.

How can you pay for something somebody doesn't want? That doesn't make sense. If people don't want healthcare, no doctor or hospital is going to be sending a bill, hence, you won't be charged.
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Old 08-25-2009, 02:32 PM
 
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Dear Sanrene,
Before you start threads, please make sure you don't make a fool of yourself in front of others, with an utter lack of comprehension for issues you want to highlight. Non-citizens aren't "AKA Illegals". In your world, may be. Not in America. Non-citizens will include green card holders, and those on work/business visas. Many of them probably pay more in taxes and contribute more to the economy than you do.
Quite so, and independent surveys show that half to two-thirds of those kids who supposedly don't buy health insurance because they see themselves as invincible would love to buy if they had access to coverage and could afford it, but they can't and don't. And millions of those who supposedly could sign up for SCHIP or Medicaid actually can't because of waiting periods (up to 12 months in some states), and the average "transitioning" unemployed person has been out of work for nearly six months, likely all of them without any sort of coverage and no guaranty that an eventual new job will come with any. Bottom line is simply that 46 million people were uninsured in 2007, and the response of right-wingers to that is to make up phony excuses that try to explain the problem away so they can pretend that it doesn't exist and doesn't matter.

But while these 46 million don't have health care coverage, they most definitely do have health care needs. They get sick, sometimes very seriously sick. They ski into trees. They fall off of balconies and bicycles. They shoot themselves while cleaning their guns. They fall down some stairs. They burn themselves while cooking. They land awkwardly after getting off a 15-foot jumper. They are involved in serious auto accidents. These people are receiving treatment for those things when they happen, but they typically aren't paying for it. The rest of us are. And the only way to stop paying for them is health care reform.
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Old 08-25-2009, 02:34 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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You are forgetting to add in the second wage earner. Most married couples are covered under one of their plans. so let's say that one makes 56k and the other makes 40k. That's 96k. subtract 12k from that. Those are more realistic numbers.
Average household income includes all earners. Having said that, the issue around cost isn't just that of current cost of health care access, but the rate at which it is rising, especially compared to income.

A better thing to ask for yourself... how sure are you that you will be able to afford buying your own health insurance coverage ten years from now? (Assuming you're not already using medicare/medicaid or will be using it).
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Old 08-25-2009, 02:35 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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The average household is making about $50k with two wage earners. What are you missing?

Every American is not making $40 - 50k/year.

Two wager earners with children will require childcare services which are approximately $200-300 per week. So subtract about $10-15k/ year from that $50k.
Where I live they are making that much. So I suggest you move to earn a better life for your family if you're in that situation. If you're only making 50k, don't have kids unless you expect the government to pay for them. For some reason I don't think your numbers are true. 56k between 2 wage earners is only $12/hr each. That can't be right. Actually it isn't right, it's a downright lie.
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Old 08-25-2009, 02:37 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Where I live they are making that much.
And where do you live? Besides, we're talking average household income versus average cost for health insurance.
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Old 08-25-2009, 02:38 PM
 
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There was never 50 million Americans stuck without health insurance. That's Just the leftists working hard to create an non existent crisis so they can tap another money stream to pay for their over spending.

It's not about our health care, it's about controlling our health care money.
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