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Old 08-26-2009, 11:40 AM
 
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Sooooooo, to take minds off the $9 trillion debt AND the healthcare debacle, the old "torture" chestnut will be tossed back on the fire to get the country refocused on the Bush administration and away from the Democrat looming disaster. CUT
You mean the debt caused by Bush and the Republicans who voted for him. Remember we had a balanced budget under Clinton (who inherited massive debt from Bush senior and got us out of it). We do have a healthcare debacle with four million uninsured and will never fix our failing economy until we fix health care.

As for torture, it may be fun and games to you but to anyone with morals it is a serious issue. I believe it is morally wrong to torture another human being. It is also dangerous to our national security. When Bush instituted his torture policies it helped recruit terrorists and lost cooperation and standing for the U.S. in the world. I remember my father, a marine, who was much more conservative than me saying "Well at least in the U.S. we don't torture our prisoners." Sadly, he was wrong and now we have done just that. You can call it a diversion if you want but something has to be done to stop it. As Mother Teresa used to say "You must see the wound to heal it."
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Old 08-26-2009, 11:54 AM
 
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Well, what would prosecuting anyone who commits a crime accomplish?
Nah sorry, I guess I miswrote. I was asking if that was his question.

Gotta prosecute crimes otherwise they'll happen again.
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Old 08-26-2009, 03:03 PM
 
Location: Fort Myers Fl
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You mean the debt caused by Bush and the Republicans who voted for him. Remember we had a balanced budget under Clinton (who inherited massive debt from Bush senior and got us out of it). We do have a healthcare debacle with four million uninsured and will never fix our failing economy until we fix health care.

As for torture, it may be fun and games to you but to anyone with morals it is a serious issue. I believe it is morally wrong to torture another human being. It is also dangerous to our national security. When Bush instituted his torture policies it helped recruit terrorists and lost cooperation and standing for the U.S. in the world. I remember my father, a marine, who was much more conservative than me saying "Well at least in the U.S. we don't torture our prisoners." Sadly, he was wrong and now we have done just that. You can call it a diversion if you want but something has to be done to stop it. As Mother Teresa used to say "You must see the wound to heal it."
And thank god we now have Obama as president. His main concern is reducing our countries debt. I think you need to wake up and take the blinders off, the man you voted for is the biggest spender we have ever had as a president.
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Old 08-26-2009, 04:00 PM
 
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You are supposed to be a physician? A healer? A person of compassion?

Deliver us from mercy at your hands.

"Enhanced Interrogation", BTW, is a creation of the Bush Administration to divert criticism. Own it.
I care about my patients very much and my surgical skills are very good- thank you. I do not give a crap about terrorists. They would enjoy killing me as well as all my patients. That would not help improve my patient's lives, would it?

Why do all you libs preach compassion for these animals? Did you like the SS and the nazi war criminals? How about the Japanese during world war 2? Atilla the Hun? Some humans are so far gone that they just need to be put down like a bad dog.
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Old 08-26-2009, 04:10 PM
 
Location: AL
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I'm glad torture is all LOL to you.

I'm sure the innocent families of people raped, murdered and tortured would find it hilarious as well.

All torture does is make them hate us even more.
I could careless what our CIA does to these azzhole !

Funny you liberal freaks never have anything neg. to say when these terrorist are chopping peoples heads off..but you complain when we waterboard..You people are so fked up its not even funny anymore !
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Old 08-26-2009, 04:12 PM
 
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And thank god we now have Obama as president. His main concern is reducing our countries debt. I think you need to wake up and take the blinders off, the man you voted for is the biggest spender we have ever had as a president.
I do thank God we now have Obama as president. I don't know if anyone can dig us out of the mess Bush and the Republicans got us into but all we can do is try.
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Old 08-26-2009, 04:32 PM
 
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Maybe we can do both simultaneously. Just expand the definition of "torture", like liberals are so fond of doing, to include ObamaCare.
What constitutes torture to you? Do you beat up puppies and kittens? Bush had a history of utilizing sadistic practices in college initiations and joked about it just as he joked about not finding WMD's. Once a sociopath, always a sociopath. Can you relate?

BTW...if government run health care is good enough for our government officials, it's good enough for the average citizen.
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Old 08-26-2009, 04:37 PM
 
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Why do all you libs preach compassion for these animals? Did you like the SS and the nazi war criminals? How about the Japanese during world war 2? Atilla the Hun? Some humans are so far gone that they just need to be put down like a bad dog.
Compassion has nothing to do with the issue, the issue is he rule of law, either you adhere to it or you become the very thing that you claim to oppose.

Really quite simple.
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Old 08-26-2009, 04:49 PM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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I care about my patients very much and my surgical skills are very good- thank you. I do not give a crap about terrorists. They would enjoy killing me as well as all my patients. That would not help improve my patient's lives, would it?

Why do all you libs preach compassion for these animals? Did you like the SS and the nazi war criminals? How about the Japanese during world war 2? Atilla the Hun? Some humans are so far gone that they just need to be put down like a bad dog.
Cool.

Now - explain how it is you know that only known terrorists were victimized by the abuse.

If you don't know, then perhaps you won't mind it when you are detained and interrogated in a windowless and unheated cell somewhere in Europe after a traffic stop because you have the same name or looks as someone else. Don't tell me "It can't happen here". It already has.

If you don't care whether they are innocent or guilty, let me refer you to my previous post.
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Old 08-26-2009, 05:53 PM
 
Location: Missouri
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The U.S. Constitution spells out the principles on which government should govern its citizens. Citizens should, in the least, live by those same principles.
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