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Old 08-31-2009, 10:35 AM
 
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Whatever else he said Wednesday evening at the town hall hosted by Rep. Jim Moran, D-VA, former Democratic National Committee chairman and presidential candidate Howard Dean let something incredibly candid slip out about President Obama's health-care reform bill in Congress.

Asked by an audience member why the legislation does nothing to cap medical malpractice class-action lawsuits against doctors and medical institutions (aka "Tort reform"), Dean responded by saying: “The reason tort reform is not in the [health care] bill is because the people who wrote it did not want to take on the trial lawyers in addition to everybody else they were taking on. And that’s the plain and simple truth.”

Dean says Obamacare authors don't want to challenge trial lawyers | Washington Examiner (http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/Dean-says-Obamacare-authors-dont-want-to-challenge-trial-lawyers-55140567.html - broken link)

Someone, anyone, please tell me again that Democrats aren't bought and paid for and do indeed have your best interests in mind?
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Old 08-31-2009, 10:43 AM
 
Location: Washington DC
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Why put in something that:
  1. Does not make a cost difference -- malpractice costs about 1/2% of medical costs
  2. 90% of malpractice cases are not frivolous
  3. Republicans want it but will not support the bill anyway
  4. Trial lawyers who are Democratic supporters don't want it.
To be totally political, why should the Democrats do anything?
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Old 08-31-2009, 10:55 AM
 
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Why put in something that:
  1. Does not make a cost difference -- malpractice costs about 1/2% of medical costs
  2. 90% of malpractice cases are not frivolous
  3. Republicans want it but will not support the bill anyway
  4. Trial lawyers who are Democratic supporters don't want it.
To be totally political, why should the Democrats do anything?
I think its more like 2% of medical costs. Although not substantial, a little goes a long way to convince doctors and hospitals to support the plan. So that begs the question: Are the political contributions from the trial lawyer lobby worth more than the support of doctors in healthcare legislation?

It would certainly seem so.
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Old 08-31-2009, 11:06 AM
 
Location: Washington DC
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I think its more like 2% of medical costs. Although not substantial, a little goes a long way to convince doctors and hospitals to support the plan. So that begs the question: Are the political contributions from the trial lawyer lobby worth more than the support of doctors in healthcare legislation?

It would certainly seem so.
The costs that can be documented are about 1/2%. All the rest is hand waving. That's about 2 weeks of costs increases in the medical industry. Pay attention to what matters.

None the less, have 10 Republican Senators lined up outside Senator Reid's office with an irrevocable proxy on cloture and perhaps you can get a deal. Until then, take a walk.
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Old 08-31-2009, 11:18 AM
 
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Tort reform is a wider issue than just in health care. I work in Public Accounting and my firm alone spends $300 million a year on practice protection.

However, the secondary effect of this is even more important. Just as many doctors practice defensive medecine, we practice "defensive auditing" which means that risk becomes more important than service to our clients and to the public. It leads to unecessary costs as well as a very conservative approach to issues.
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Old 08-31-2009, 11:39 AM
 
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Why put in something that:
  1. Does not make a cost difference -- malpractice costs about 1/2% of medical costs
  2. 90% of malpractice cases are not frivolous
  3. Republicans want it but will not support the bill anyway
  4. Trial lawyers who are Democratic supporters don't want it.
To be totally political, why should the Democrats do anything?

Source?
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Old 08-31-2009, 11:46 AM
 
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More than half the states already have limits on non-economic tort awards. Why haven't all these "big savings" come their way?
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Old 08-31-2009, 11:50 AM
 
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Tort reform is a wider issue than just in health care. I work in Public Accounting and my firm alone spends $300 million a year on practice protection.

However, the secondary effect of this is even more important. Just as many doctors practice defensive medecine, we practice "defensive auditing" which means that risk becomes more important than service to our clients and to the public. It leads to unecessary costs as well as a very conservative approach to issues.
One word: Enron

But I'm sure you can add more for a justifying list.
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Old 08-31-2009, 06:42 PM
 
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Whatever else he said Wednesday evening at the town hall hosted by Rep. Jim Moran, D-VA, former Democratic National Committee chairman and presidential candidate Howard Dean let something incredibly candid slip out about President Obama's health-care reform bill in Congress.

Asked by an audience member why the legislation does nothing to cap medical malpractice class-action lawsuits against doctors and medical institutions (aka "Tort reform"), Dean responded by saying: “The reason tort reform is not in the [health care] bill is because the people who wrote it did not want to take on the trial lawyers in addition to everybody else they were taking on. And that’s the plain and simple truth.”

Dean says Obamacare authors don't want to challenge trial lawyers | Washington Examiner (http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/Dean-says-Obamacare-authors-dont-want-to-challenge-trial-lawyers-55140567.html - broken link)

Someone, anyone, please tell me again that Democrats aren't bought and paid for and do indeed have your best interests in mind?

Of course. The Trial Lawyers bought and paid for the Democratic Party fair and square. It has been that way for a decade. They won't even put the party up for bidding anymore, which is unfair to the rest of us. Wasn't Obama supposed to be "fair"?
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Old 08-31-2009, 06:43 PM
 
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One word: Enron

But I'm sure you can add more for a justifying list.
Enron contributed equally to the republican and democratic party.
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