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You are lucky. Unfortunately not everyone is especially minorities. Yet the left for some reason wants to keep them trapped in inferior schools. I wonder why they are so afraid of vouchers?
We have vouchers in Washington and the test scores show no significant difference in achievement. Charter schools providing a better education is a myth.
"In the 2004-05 school year, 83 cents out of every dollar spent on education is estimated to come from the state and local levels (45.6 percent from state funds and 37.1 percent from local governments). The federal government's share is 8.3 percent. The remaining 8.9 percent is from private sources, primarily for private schools."
I already said that they come from many different areas and if your link is correct then fine property taxes do not pay for the majority but the fact remains that public schools are not free when will you admit that?
We have vouchers in Washington and the test scores show no significant difference in achievement. Charter schools providing a better education is a myth.
"Charter schools are nonsectarian public schools of choice that operate with freedom from many of the regulations that apply to traditional public schools."
If public schools are as good as private schools then the teachers union has nothing to fear everyone will stay in public schools.
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I am certainly not implying that all conservatives, or many, or most are in favor of anarchy. However, many bristle at the idea of paying taxes for many things. The OP asked,
No, conservatives do not bristle at the idea of paying taxes for many things -- just things that have proven not to work.
Conservatism is not about coldhearted ba*tard mentality as some would suggest. It is a rather pragmatic view that money well spent is money well earned. In other words, say if the various welfare programs currently out there worked as they were intended and helped low income families get on their feet and on their way to prosperity then you would not hear a freakin' peep out of conservatives about any money spent on said programs. After all, who could argue with success? But when there are government programs that are proven to be corrupt, inept and flawed yet the prevailing wisdom is to throw more money (we don't have) at the problem then yes, conservatives as a whole tend to get a little pissy about that.
Public schools are dicey - they can and do vary greatly not just from state to state or city to city but from neighborhood to neighborhood. This type of disparity is ridiculous and un American. Yet what does the NEA think the answer is? Certainly it couldn't be the top heavy administration costs, oh no. And it certainly isn't the inability to fire teachers who have proven themselves to be horrid. No, the answer they have is more money more money more money. And that is something we lack.
Now apply this government model to a universal health system and perhaps you can understand why conservatives are leary of the idea. Add to that the failed programs of the VA and the IHS coupled with vague assurances from Nancy Pelosi that there is nothing to worry about and you have a lot of worried conservatives.
I want to find an answer to the insurance/medical problems just as much as you do. I just want to make damn sure we can afford it and that it will work as promised.
I already said that they come from many different areas and if your link is correct then fine property taxes do not pay for the majority but the fact remains that public schools are not free when will you admit that?
The public schools are tax funded. There is no charge to attend one. That is explicit in 50 state constitutions. I never disputed they were tax funded.
A History of Public Education In The United States (http://www.servintfree.net/~aidmn-ejournal/publications/2001-11/PublicEducationInTheUnitedStates.html - broken link)
No, conservatives do not bristle at the idea of paying taxes for many things -- just things that have proven not to work.
Conservatism is not about coldhearted ba*tard mentality as some would suggest. It is a rather pragmatic view that money well spent is money well earned. In other words, say if the various welfare programs currently out there worked as they were intended and helped low income families get on their feet and on their way to prosperity then you would not hear a freakin' peep out of conservatives about any money spent on said programs. After all, who could argue with success? But when there are government programs that are proven to be corrupt, inept and flawed yet the prevailing wisdom is to throw more money (we don't have) at the problem then yes, conservatives as a whole tend to get a little pissy about that.
Public schools are dicey - they can and do vary greatly not just from state to state or city to city but from neighborhood to neighborhood. This type of disparity is ridiculous and un American. Yet what does the NEA think the answer is? Certainly it couldn't be the top heavy administration costs, oh no. And it certainly isn't the inability to fire teachers who have proven themselves to be horrid. No, the answer they have is more money more money more money. And that is something we lack.
Now apply this government model to a universal health system and perhaps you can understand why conservatives are leary of the idea. Add to that the failed programs of the VA and the IHS coupled with vague assurances from Nancy Pelosi that there is nothing to worry about and you have a lot of worried conservatives.
I want to find an answer to the insurance/medical problems just as much as you do. I just want to make damn sure we can afford it and that it will work as promised.
I did not think this thread was about health care, as I said earlier. The OP was talking about socialism, not health care.
The public schools are tax funded. There is no charge to attend one. That is explicit in 50 state constitutions. I never disputed they were tax funded.
A History of Public Education In The United States (http://www.servintfree.net/~aidmn-ejournal/publications/2001-11/PublicEducationInTheUnitedStates.html - broken link)
From your own link.
"Public schools have also relied heavily on local property taxes to meet the vast majority of school expenses. American schools have thus tended to reflect the educational values and financial capabilities of the communities in which they are located."
Call it whatever you like the bottom line is it is a charge for schooling.
Before this year, they have always attended Catholic School, but we had a falling out in the Spring - the school/church refused to get rid of a very un-catholic teacher.
Used to be a teacher before moving on to a job that pays double. We had a word for you in our profession: "Psycho parent".
I did not think this thread was about health care, as I said earlier. The OP was talking about socialism, not health care.
The term 'socialism' is getting thrown around in the health care debate -- nowhere else that I am aware of.
But forget the second half of my post in regards to health care then ..... the rest still stands and is relevent. Conservatives are not heartless ba*tards that want children to remain ignorant. Conservatives understand the value of public services such as schools and really have no problem with paying for it when it works. It is the concept of throwing good money after bad that sets us off - not the concept of educating children.
For all you conservatives who are screaming about Socialism, do your children attend public schools?
Yes because its the law that properety owners must pay school taxes. How many do you think would support the public schools now if given a choice. glad you brought this up. Its another socialist failing program that the central governamnt keeps going for political reasons. They do not want competition from other privte scholls ;so they give students and parents no choice unless they want to pay twice.
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