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For the record. In order to claim unemployment one must be laid-off! You cannot have been fired or have resigned. You will be denied if any of these conditions proves to have been the case in your resulting unemployment.
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Actually, you can be fired. The burden of proof is on the employer to challenge the unemployment claim.
So you are claiming that China won't sell Chlorine to North Korea? Really?
Also, it's easy to make chlorine...it's all over the place. (Hint: Ocean) North Korea just has different priorities in their government expenses. Shockingly, they don't often put the health and welfare of their people first and then we have apologists like you walk in and blame the US because they "can't get chlorine".
They also had over a million people starve to death due to crop failures...again...they spent their money on missle programs and not on buying rice from China etc. For you to defend these actions is quite frankly nauseating.
You're arguing with a boogie man because I did not defend any such action. North Korea was doomed to failure from the start, I don't give a flying **** about the failed state DPRK.
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Originally Posted by jcarlilesiu
Oh god, another socialist.
Where do these people come from?
Typical of those who love to hate on the country as noted above.
You want socialist.... then go find it, quit trying to change the rest of us who have seen how capitalism flourishes and enjoy the luxaries it provides every single day. Look around you. That isn't socialism.
This kind of nonsense just proves that Americans don't even have a basic understanding of neoclassical economics. America flourishes at the expense of other countries. When one person gains, another loses. Capitalists believe this to be a moral system, because according to their non-scientific economic beliefs everyone is a rational actor therefore if one person has more than another he or she must deserve to have more.
As a communist, I reject these notions. I also reject the notion that North Korea, China, the USSR, Albania, Afghanistan, Cuba, etc. were proper communist nations on the grounds that every single one of these countries were taken over and ran by vanguard parties and while many implemented socialist policies (free health care, free education, childcare, welfare, etc) the total lack of democracy would have Marx turning in his grave.
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Originally Posted by NorthPoleMarathoner
What are you talking about?
You have a poor grasp of everything.
So there. Take that.
His parents weren't on the lam, nor were they taken in by an innkeeper.
When offered the job at your company, I had no further options. Because of bad personal choices, I chose education in a career path where jobs do not exist. Although I could had chosen to major in an area experiencing job growth, knowing full well of the consequences I freely chose to learn skills for an over saturated profession. Additionally, I decline the opportunity to retrain for a career with better job prospects. Regardless of my training, however, you offered me a position, and although I'd rather just be on unemployment and not work, I accepted your offer.
Although I did not like the terms of our employment and conditions of my job, I remain at your company knowing full well that I could leave at any time. Although I am aware of my options for retraining at a local community college or through apprenticeships elsewhere, I remain at your company nonetheless. However, this situation suits my personality, as I'd rather just complain about my circumstances and blame others for my problems than do anything to help myself.
I understand that I am just a common employee at your company. In contrast to my short tenure, most executives and your company are career-employees and ascended to their positions after decades of hard work. I know that if I work hard I could one day also become an executive. Yet even after my relative short time here, I am jealous and angry. You don't deserve your big salaries. You should give us who have less education and with less substantive resumes a cut of your paycheck.
So, if I pack up my things and get an unemployment check I will be happy to know that I've managed, through doing nothing other than being biodegradable and breathing the air that others could breathe, to suck at least some free cash out of someone who legitimately earned it.
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Employee[
Dear Employee,
We realize that there are few career fields that are not completely saturated. We also realize that many jobs that remain in demand are low paying, dirty, strenuous, dangerous, thankless, prohibitively expensive or difficult to obtain the training, and unrewarding in any sense of the word. Further, we also realize that its nearly impossible to project the job market 4-6 years in the future.
So, correspondingly, we offered you a low ball wage which you were compelled to accept in order to eat. If you have a problem with this, you can choose to quit, or, at your own expense, you can train for something else. Of course, we realize that you can not afford it on the wage we provide, so we welcome you to go in to large amounts of consumer debt pursuing that. We also can not guarantee you that whatever route you do chase will be any more employable then this one. We also make no implied promise that you will not have to spend tens of thousands of dollars training for multiple career fields until you happen to "roll the right number".
We do realize that many of our executives have a fraction of the education or talent we like to see of current entry level employees at our firm, but that doesn't give you the right to bring up this fact. We also realize that the executives at our firm feel they deserve a certain astronomical wage based on tenure rather then ability or value. That doesn't give you the right to bring this fact up. Finally, we also realize that our average executive qualifies for social security benefits, and plans on working twenty more years, dispite doing little more then puttering around and attending overpriced conferences. We feel that our elders should be respected, and it is their right to permanatley stifle any promotional hope that lower levels have.
So, we must respect your choice to leave and receive unemployment. We will fill your shoes with someone equally as desperate, and we will continue to combat having to pay in to all social safety nets, as we are convinced that we earned our multimillion dollar paychecks.
When offered the job at your company, I had no further options. Due to the oversaturation of highly skilled people in nearly all career fields, the oversaturation of entrepreneurs, and the high cost of capital to enter most business endeavors, and my lack of aforementioned capital, I was forced to work at your company or starve. While this was not a literal gun to my head, it certainly was a figurative one.
As you can see, the relationship was purely parasitic. You, as the controller of capital, had the ability to offer me practically any compensation package at the negotiation table, change any number of the points on which I originally accepted employment, including, but not limited to, cutting my salary, increasing my hours, raising my responsibility, and altering or completely eliminating my benefits. Since you were very careful not to guarantee me anything in writing, or contract to me any set benefits, and built an impressive team of employment lawyers to shield you behind every law imagineable, my only course of action, to quit, would harm me far more then it would ever harm you, which is a natural discouragement to taking that route, and you are very aware of this.
I find it ironic that you, as an officer, would speak of "passing down" profits. You have enjoyed profits which exceed the previous years since pratically your inception, yet, I have not seen much of any of those "profits" reflected in my check. I have had my salary frozen for years, while I have watched corporate bonuses of millions of dollars handed out to executives who do little more then shuffle paperwork taken off the backs of individuals like myself.
I will gladly pack my personal belongings. I will then proceed to the State Unemployment Office, and get my check, and I will relish in the fact that the amount of unemployment tax pulled out of you will likely go up. Good luck with trying to strong arm Uncle Sam.
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Employee
I have been in the position of accepting a crap job after getting laid off. I was over qualified, underpaid, over worked, and all in all walked on.
You know what I did? I continued to educate myself to make myself marketable. Save 700 bucks, bought a computer and printed some business cards. Started doing moon lighting in my career field. Finally, I obtained a job at a firm which recognized my skill and awarded me for it.
This whole "I feel sorry for myself" and "I can't do it" attitude is going to lead to only one end... you won't do it for yourself.
Its sad to see how many parents didn't teach their children "quit your crying and do something to fix it". Important lesson, apparently not taught of late.
Like I said before, everybody has excuses. I personally don't buy the self pitty in most cases. People have this expectation of entitlement and find it convenient to turn to government to fullfill this "right". Sad part is, its detrimental to a productive and growing economic engine.
Some people really need to evaluate WHY they are in the position they are in, and then take the steps necessary to get out of the rut. The whole "I can't do it" B.S., I ain't buyin. I won't wipe your tears.
The majority of Ameicans do not work for themselves. A majority of Americans do work for small business type operations. Employers that are largely of the mindset that Capitalism is against them and they cannot possibly do what is right wagewise under the draconian taxes and other overheads of payroll management. So, at the present time it is pretty bloody out there. All of my employed friends are living under a cloud. They are working 55 hour weeks at their former 35 hour salaries. Some take mandatory week long furloughs every three weeks. Others live in dread everytime they open their pay envelopes that they will find a pink slip in it. Yah. They are idiots for not simply starting their own companies and entering that fray. There really isn't any problem with any of this, though. Twenty million and more Americans are simply having mass hallucinations that factory equipment isn't being unbolted and shipped south to Mexico. Millions more are deluded into thinking that those new people reporting for work where they used to stand all day don't look suspiciously like Central Americans.
It (Capitalism) isn't working. There are hundreds of millions of Americans and if a few tens of millions of Americans are doing very well thank you I can't call that an unalloyed victory for the Capitalist Order. Cuba and Venezuela are not model examples of Socialism. Why did a previous poster conveniently avoid mentioning any Scandinavian countries? I will never say America's system wasn't working. It was, but to say it is working still is disingenuous.
And, since the pro-Capitalist posters in this discussion are so much smarter than the rest of us, I wonder why they think it is only a phone call to DHS that will guarantee anyone who wants one a bi-weekly paycheck just for the asking. I don't know the details but I do know it is not simply as easy as that. Surely you have to have children at risk. Surely there are checks into the circumstances of your financial downfall. Hey, I don't blame you for wanting to believe in the system. I hope you never have to see how it really is for an ever growing number of Americans. Much as I hate smarmy, self-righteuousness I don't have it in me to wish reality on anyone. It's that bad.
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What is the current unemployment rate?
What is the average income of US residents?
This whole the sky is falling capitalism doesn't work BS is nothing more than a propoganda machine to push a socialist agenda. Do you not find it slightly interesting that the capitalism started to have some issues the more that government stuck its nose in? Regulations, taxation, and stipulations are all things the government has done to stick its noise into the free market. The outcome has been flight by the industrial portion of our country and other ill effects (exaggerated above). So what is the answer? Of course! More government.
Capitalism worked. Look at the history of the US as evidence.
You know what I did? I continued to educate myself to make myself marketable. Save 700 bucks, bought a computer and printed some business cards. Started doing moon lighting in my career field. Finally, I obtained a job at a firm which recognized my skill and awarded me for it.
What about the other people who applied for that job and didnt get it? Is there enough "rewarding positions" to go around? Of course not.
Stop living in the "me" world, and look at the big picture. So what, you made it, however, you making it, DIRECTLY led to some one else, or MANY people NOT making it. Wealth is not infinite. There is not room at the top for everyone. In fact, as the rising GINI index has shown us, there is becoming less room at the top on a daily basis, and less people in position to get there.
Hard work and pulling yourself up by the bootstraps meant something in 1935. It doesn't mean crap now.
Oh, you mean like the CEOs and owners do? Oh wait, they dont. They formed an LLC or a corporation, which operates as its own legal entity.
Employees should get the same benefit. Ride the beast when its profitable, and let the creditors take the hit when it flounders.
Wow... the amount of mis-information provided by some of you people is astounding. The problem is, Im not ignorant to the corporate world. Either you are truely mis-guided and don't have a clue what you are talking about, OR you are lying for the sake of pushing propoganda.
So... #1 lie. Yes CEOs lose tons of money if a company folds. Most CEOs are provided bonus not in the form of liquid cash but rather in shares of company stock. This means that if the company crashes under their watch they have the potential to lose in some cases millions of dollars of their OWN investments.
#2 lie. We have already said that most corporations in this country are small. They are not publicly traded. They have in most cases one single share holder, the president, and in some cases a handful. All of these people, not the employees, stand to lose money if the company fails.
Just because a company incorporates under and LLC doesn't mean that the company is owned by nobody but the company itself. The value of every business belongs to SOMEBODY. With the exception of a select few companies that are infact employee owned where shares are divided equally among employees, the majority of businesses are owned by the executives.
So, with the facts outlined above, Ill go ahead and ask again. If a company collapses, should all of the employees share in the loss of the company?
Capitalism worked. Look at the history of the US as evidence.
Capitalism continuously broke, which is why the government kept stepping in. Capitalism has two paths, a revolution, or European style socialism. Period.
You either have to toss a huge safety net to the underclass to appease them, or face their wrath. One thing that wont happen is that they will sit their and eat it for an infinite amount of time.
I suggest you study every historical capitalism, and what happened to it.
We realize that there are few career fields that are not completely saturated (you are not able to differentiate yourself from the masses or you choose not to). We also realize that many jobs that remain in demand are low paying, dirty, strenuous, dangerous, thankless, prohibitively expensive or difficult to obtain the training, and unrewarding in any sense of the word.(Given that you want to start as VP and avoid strenuous jobs, while being patted on the back, will not purse student loan programs and are deterred by the difficulty) Further, we also realize that its nearly impossible to project the job market 4-6 years in the future (and we know you will only react to what's presented to you rather than create a demand for your services).
So, correspondingly, we offered you a low ball wage which you were compelled to accept in order to eat (This wage was decided upon because there are thousands of people like you willing to do the job. When you take the steps to separate yourself from the herd, let us know). If you have a problem with this, you can choose to quit, or, at your own expense, you can train for something else (as we did from our previous jobs). Of course, we realize that you can not afford it on the wage we provide, so we welcome you to go in to large amounts of consumer debt pursuing that (because we know you will not take a second job or try to excel for a raise). We also can not guarantee you that whatever route you do chase will be any more employable then this one (because you are an individual and it is up to you to figure what what gives you enjoyment and pursue it. We do what we do. If you want to pick flowers, be a florist). We also make no implied promise that you will not have to spend tens of thousands of dollars training for multiple career fields until you happen to "roll the right number" (This should go without saying because as a boss at one company, when you leave our company, we do not try to place you in another job. If you're rolling the dice, that's you fault, not mine. I didn't get to be the boss by rolling dice. I made calculated decisions).
We do realize that many of our executives have a fraction of the education or talent we like to see of current entry level employees at our firm, but that doesn't give you the right to bring up this fact (However, our executives have something that got to the point of being executives. Given your superiority, you should figure out what steps you haven't taken to reach our level). We also realize that the executives at our firm feel they deserve a certain astronomical wage based on tenure rather then ability or value (Plus, we are the executives and are responsible for running the company which makes us work 60 hour weeks while you clock out at 5 and complain about your wage). That doesn't give you the right to bring this fact up. Finally, we also realize that our average executive qualifies for social security benefits, and plans on working twenty more years, dispite doing little more then puttering around and attending overpriced conferences (Which is our right if the board thinks we contribute enough - or we're a small company, and I own it). We feel that our elders should be respected, and it is their right to permanatley stifle any promotional hope that lower levels have (But you have no chance of promotion anyway, given the attitudes expressed in your letter.)
For the record. In order to claim unemployment one must be laid-off! You cannot have been fired or have resigned. You will be denied if any of these conditions proves to have been the case in your resulting unemployment.
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Thats false. You can be fired and still obtain unemployment securities.
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