Pro-government Democrats, here is your chance. (ideology, abortion, federal government, states)

[pghquest]

Originally Posted by burdell

OK, liberals have solved the abortion issue by keeping government the hell out of it.

Now, conservatives have solved _________?

You think that the supreme court ruling is "keeping ut of it", let alone requiring the government to pay for it in some cases.

Your pretend resolution, resolved nothing, abortion is and always was a state issue legally, and by moving it to the federal level it created a lot more problems then it resolved.

[djacques]

Originally Posted by TnHilltopper

I'll just have to disagree. For starters, I never said "all", in fact you will rarely ever hear me say, "all". However in political philosophy one of the general differences between left and right is the level and size of government. This is not a new thing by any means.

It's not a new thing, but it's also not a thing anchored to anything actually existing in reality. It's pure propaganda.

[burdell]

Originally Posted by pghquest

While the federal government mandates aviation requirements, this wasnt the question. The question is, what do they run better outside of their authority. Managing, and regulating isnt the same, and even if they were, aviation mandates is not beyond their control.. The federal government has complete authority to mandate transactions across state borders.
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You said Republicans believe in putting government where it belongs, at state and local levels. The question is HOW does that make sense in things like aviation standards? The question you cop-out on.

[burdell]

Originally Posted by pghquest

You think that the supreme court ruling is "keeping ut of it", let alone requiring the government to pay for it in some cases.

Your pretend resolution, resolved nothing, abortion is and always was a state issue legally, and by moving it to the federal level it created a lot more problems then it resolved.

Have you been on "Dancing With the Stars"?, you're certainly good at waltzing around.

And have YET to answer: WHAT have conservatives solved with their policies?

[burdell]

Originally Posted by pghquest

You think that the supreme court ruling is "keeping ut of it", let alone requiring the government to pay for it in some cases.

Your pretend resolution, resolved nothing, abortion is and always was a state issue legally, and by moving it to the federal level it created a lot more problems then it resolved.

The problem is created by a bunch of gray haired old men who think they should make medical decisions for women they've never met and have no clue about their individual situation, surely no liberal creation.

[pghquest]

Originally Posted by burdell

You said Republicans believe in putting government where it belongs, at state and local levels. The question is HOW does that make sense in things like aviation standards? The question you cop-out on.

Lets review what i said..

Originally Posted by pghquest

I cant list one item the federal government does, outside of their authority, where we have saved money.

Again, regulations involving crossing state lines is indeed a federal government authority. If you dont understand where the federal government has legal authority to regulate, why are you posting? You are giving examples as to where they DO HAVE THE AUTHORITY.. i asked for examples that they dont have the authority.

Welfare, minimum wage, unemployment, healthcare etc are all examples that they have no legal authority to get involved in because it does not cross the state borders.

[pghquest]

Originally Posted by burdell

And have YET to answer: WHAT have conservatives solved with their policies?

Continuing to ignore the fact that "conservatives" are not responsible to solve citizens "problems", doesnt mean you are making progress with your argument,

Originally Posted by burdell

The problem is created by a bunch of gray haired old men who think they should make medical decisions for women they've never met and have no clue about their individual situation, surely no liberal creation.

So you think the abortion problem was caused bye a bunch of grey haired old men? I could be wrong, but I would bet that women arent banging down the doors to become pregnant by this segment of society, but maybe you could provide statistics showing I'm wrong.

[GOPATTA2D]

The difference between liberal and conservative ideology is that liberals think they need the government to solve problems and take care of the populace. Conservatives believe that the role of government is to provide a system and the framework for each individual to solve their own problems and take care of themselves. That was the founding principle of this country - indivudual liberty and freedom.

[burdell]

Originally Posted by pghquest

Lets review what i said..

Again, regulations involving crossing state lines is indeed a federal government authority. If you dont understand where the federal government has legal authority to regulate, why are you posting? You are giving examples as to where they DO HAVE THE AUTHORITY.. i asked for examples that they dont have the authority.

Welfare, minimum wage, unemployment, healthcare etc are all examples that they have no legal authority to get involved in because it does not cross the state borders.

Please cite case law where this has been determined to be true, your opinion isn't that impressive or convincing.

[HappyTexan]

Originally Posted by pghquest

Welfare, minimum wage, unemployment, healthcare etc are all examples that they have no legal authority to get involved in because it does not cross the state borders.

Yet they are and have and there's no one to put them back in their place.
State Governors are ridiculed if they speak out publically about it.

It's "the will of the people" and people WANT the government to get involved and fix all the problems. Why is beyond me because the bigger it gets the less you get fixed.