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This, and the last 4 decades HAVE catered quite nicely to all of the aforementioned things/people in my previous post.
All things considered.......far more opportunity existed for a greater number of the overall population back in the 50's as opposed to NOW.
Yeah, it was a time before MLK and Blacks getting their overdue civil rights, but man.....did the kooks come out of the woodwork in the 60's or what?!
Suddenly......everyone was unhappy and tired of living in a closet.
Feeling soooo oppressed 'cause the Establishment just could not accept that these spoiled little baby boomers would rather smoke pot than drink( which is a good choice, BTW),..... BUT to rebel by any means possible, b*tch & moan about ME, ME, ME and what ME WANTS and HOW ME WANTS to live and how ME WANTS EVERYONE to ACCEPT ME living like this and how ME WANTS everyone else to LIVE THEIR LIFE from now on too!
ME, MY wants, MY needs!
Me knows whats best for ME.....AND YOU.
As Liberal / Progressive an ideology as it gets and one that slithered its ugly head into every facet of American life and society today.
The freaks, radicals and rebels were heard.
Now....they are in power.
Everything going on in America today can be directly attributed to.......how loud they got and how graciously they were accommodated for speaking up so vociferously and with such strength.....in numbers.
Progress?
Progressive?
Equality for all?
Is justice blind?
Is everyone happy now?
I beg to differ.
I wasn't around in the 50's but life in America sure seemed a lot more stable with plenty of opportunity that I honestly don't see much of anymore.
Hell......even the 1970's and early 80's was better than NOW!
This country has gone to HELL in a big way, since the end of the Reagan era, IMO.
And now......it's really IN HELL since we arrived in this century and someone wants to turn UP the heat, besides.
Arguably.....it was the 1950's that was America's true pinnacle of what defines ALL that is prosperity....BEST and we have been giving it all away to the rest of the planet ever since.....at our own peril.
We gotta come down in our abundance.......so that China, India and so many others.....can come up..... and enjoy what most Americans have taken for granted ever since the 50's.
Seriously.....how does this reality make this decade in America, so much BETTER?
Like I said in an earlier post, I have to decide what is best for ME. I don't see alot of people looking out for my best interests in the 1950s. As for opportunities for African-Americans, well, sure, there were alot of industrial jobs, but those dried up in the deindustrialisation of the USA because people were looking for cheaper labor. As an African-American, I would have still had problems, even with jobs. Believe it or not, there was alot of discrimination when it came to jobs, housing, schools,etc. The question is, how as an African-American, would the 1950s would have been good for me? I ask this because I can't change my ethnicity, and as Julian Bond said, "color has consequences". What he meant is that many people will perceive a person differently based on skin color. The 1950's were only great if you were White, male, straight, and conservative. I am not White and I am not totally conservative, so the 1950's would be out for me. And the end of the day, I have to decide what is best for ME, and for ME, the 1950's and any decade before that is not best for me.
Like I said in an earlier post, I have to decide what is best for ME. I don't see alot of people looking out for my best interests in the 1950s. As for opportunities for African-Americans, well, sure, there were alot of industrial jobs, but those dried up in the deindustrialisation of the USA because people were looking for cheaper labor. As an African-American, I would have still had problems, even with jobs. Believe it or not, there was alot of discrimination when it came to jobs, housing, schools,etc. The question is, how as an African-American, would the 1950s would have been good for me? I ask this because I can't change my ethnicity, and as Julian Bond said, "color has consequences". What he meant is that many people will perceive a person differently based on skin color. The 1950's were only great if you were White, male, straight, and conservative. I am not White and I am not totally conservative, so the 1950's would be out for me. And the end of the day, I have to decide what is best for ME, and for ME, the 1950's and any decade before that is not best for me.
Now I know why I wasn't 100% able to love the 50s. I graduated from high school in 1950 as a white male, straight but very liberal. I guess it was that liberal thinking that kept me from getting it all. Things didn't change a whole lot for me when I went conservative, or at least anti-liberal, in 1972.
Bye the bye, I didn't know very many black people until I got in the Army in 1954 and one of them became my best friend. I sure wish I knew where Joe is today.
Like I said in an earlier post, I have to decide what is best for ME. I don't see alot of people looking out for my best interests in the 1950s. As for opportunities for African-Americans, well, sure, there were alot of industrial jobs, but those dried up in the deindustrialisation of the USA because people were looking for cheaper labor. As an African-American, I would have still had problems, even with jobs. Believe it or not, there was alot of discrimination when it came to jobs, housing, schools,etc. The question is, how as an African-American, would the 1950s would have been good for me? I ask this because I can't change my ethnicity, and as Julian Bond said, "color has consequences". What he meant is that many people will perceive a person differently based on skin color. The 1950's were only great if you were White, male, straight, and conservative. I am not White and I am not totally conservative, so the 1950's would be out for me. And the end of the day, I have to decide what is best for ME, and for ME, the 1950's and any decade before that is not best for me.
Well it's OK then 'cause this ain't the 1950's and anyone.....no matter what their skin color.......is fair game for some form of discrimination.
It's just that today's discrimination has had to go underground but it is far more equally dished out nevertheless.
LESS opportunity exists NOW.....for YOU and just about everyone else, if you haven't noticed.
America SUX for nearly everyone.....UNLESS they AREN'T an American citizen at all to begin with.
For these people.....it's still a land of opportunity and for the most part......they are welcomed with open arms to sponge off our wealth and prosperity at all cost.
It's the 1950's.....for someone alright.... just not for YOU....or ME either.
Hope you had a chance to enjoy all the years....since the 50's though.....but let's face it, black or white, red or yellow......America has had its best days......and now they are over.
We must allow and help the rest of the world to enjoy life like we were once able to....so freely, but this means we must give up a lot too.
This fact is NOT discriminatory at all.
Sadly, the parallels to what African Americans had to put up with in the 1950's (segregation, oppression, etc.) ARE ALL clearly evident no matter what your race.....in America TODAY! NOW.....IF you are an American citizen and nothing more......it's the back of the bus for you.
The Libs and Progressies have determined that WE, as a nation......are discriminating against Commies, Socialists, Mao-loving radicals and others.....who they believe should have the bus all for themselves.
Yeah....it IS a crappy feeling when some get preferential treatment at the expense of many.
Discrimination NEVER ends.....it just takes on a new appearance with a simple makeover.
Same with racism too, I'm sad to say.
Well it's OK then 'cause this ain't the 1950's and anyone.....no matter what their skin color.......is fair game for some form of discrimination.
It's just that today's discrimination has had to go underground but it is far more equally dished out nevertheless.
LESS opportunity exists NOW.....for YOU and just about everyone else, if you haven't noticed.
America SUX for nearly everyone.....UNLESS they AREN'T an American citizen at all to begin with.
For these people.....it's still a land of opportunity and for the most part......they are welcomed with open arms to sponge off our wealth and prosperity at all cost.
It's the 1950's.....for someone alright.... just not for YOU....or ME either.
For me and my family, the best time was between 1989 and 1998. My father is an engineer and has a master's degree. For him, getting work depends on where he goes and what field he goes to. In the late 1980s to mid 1990's, it was mainly aerospace(military specifically) that was his main specialty. That work started to get more spotty around 1999, when he had his longest layoff. Also, he is more able to get work in Texas or California than he is to get work in Georgia, where I he lives now. He gets more work in Texas or CA and is paid better in those places. As for the best decade for me, it was the 1990's. I was younger, happier, less jaded, my father could get work easier in those days. It is this decade that things are hard. I thought the 2000 decade was going to be this great new frontier of opportunity and new things to explore. Well, it has been the throw-away decade. Stuff is constantly going out of date. I would not want to live the 1950's. For me, the 1990's, and specifically, the mid 1990's(1994-1997 especially) were very good to me. I look at the TV and there were better role models for me to look up to. The 1950's would not have been the decade for me. I appreciate and learned to love diversity(I am a product of the Nickelodeon generate of the 90's), I like having the rights that I have, I have a different mindset than what would have been acceptable in the 1950's.
For me and my family, the best time was between 1989 and 1998. My father is an engineer and has a master's degree. For him, getting work depends on where he goes and what field he goes to. In the late 1980s to mid 1990's, it was mainly aerospace(military specifically) that was his main specialty. That work started to get more spotty around 1999, when he had his longest layoff. Also, he is more able to get work in Texas or California than he is to get work in Georgia, where I he lives now. He gets more work in Texas or CA and is paid better in those places. As for the best decade for me, it was the 1990's. I was younger, happier, less jaded, my father could get work easier in those days. It is this decade that things are hard. I thought the 2000 decade was going to be this great new frontier of opportunity and new things to explore. Well, it has been the throw-away decade. Stuff is constantly going out of date. I would not want to live the 1950's. For me, the 1990's, and specifically, the mid 1990's(1994-1997 especially) were very good to me. I look at the TV and there were better role models for me to look up to. The 1950's would not have been the decade for me. I appreciate and learned to love diversity(I am a product of the Nickelodeon generate of the 90's), I like having the rights that I have, I have a different mindset than what would have been acceptable in the 1950's.
Better role models on TV in the '90s? Like the Bundys from "Married With Children?" Or Bart from "The Simpsons?"
Good points. I don't know why certain feminist groups or so-called liberated women look down on the job of homemaker. As far as I'm concerned, a homemaker has the most important job in the world. She's responsible for providing a stable home environment and a solid foundation for her children. She's responsible for managing the affairs of the entire household. To me, that seems like the very basis of society. There's nothing in the world like a good wife and mother.
Then why isn't the "most important" job of "homemaker" legitimatized by the gov't by giving stay at home moms work credit for Social Security? Women who stay home to raise children jeopardize the financial security of their retirement years. They lose years of contributions to retirement plans. Many find themselves in their 60s, no longer married, unable to work and without sufficient income or medical care - and they stay behind this 8 ball or the rest of their lives. Kind of a crappy way to treat someone who spent years performing "the most important job in the world."
Today....if you were "unfortunate enough" to have been born a straight, white male things are a tad bit bleaker for sure.
Today.....if you were "fortunate enough" to have been born a woman, gay, a minority, or suffering from a mental disorder.....you are graciously accomodated through feminist orgs. gay rights orgs. Affirmative Action laws and far more drugs for your mental disorder than was ever needed!
I'm glad we have finally turned the American Dream into such a wet one for all those oppressed folks, but it's still a big nightmare for many.
Progression to what we have NOW isn't as hunky dory as some would like for us to believe.
It was destined to happen. Whomever was oppressed then, gained a level of equality today. Why should things be any other way? Granted this society is not perfect, but today everyone is equally happy or miserable.
Not just one happy group, and the rest suffering.
(Everyone who works hard should reap the benefits of any privilege they worked hard for.)
I tell you one thing. I'm glad all the turmoil happened then, not today. It would be more chaotic.
Why the sad face? One group can't reap all the benefits at the expense of others. I say let's all be grumpy together, till society decays (either that, or learn to deal with the fact that everyone needs the same unalienable rights to progress as a society)....Let's keep it up...
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they have come out of the closet with their ugly. most of it was hidden b4. probably this is not the worst. the worst is our new product, white guilt.
we have decided that we do not make mistakes, we are a mistake.
Guilty? You feel guilty? For what? Unless you're a prick who preys on minorities, gays, the disabled, and women, and spews nonsense, why feel guilty?
If you're a prick who does, deal with it... (The world will go on, and no one listens to complaining/whining people nowadays).
Ever been on a Subway in NYC? Ever hear the idiot shouting in the mornings? He gets his two seconds of attention, and everyone minds their business after his 2 seconds of fame....I mean shame.
Whine all you want, life will go on.
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Better role models on TV in the '90s? Like the Bundys from "Married With Children?" Or Bart from "The Simpsons?"
No. More like Quagmire from Family Guy...oh wait, that wasn't 90s..
Better role models on TV in the '90s? Like the Bundys from "Married With Children?" Or Bart from "The Simpsons?"
I never watched those shows. The_Fairfaxian was talking about decent role models of the 1980's and 1990's, such as the Cosby Show. I grew up watching Nickelodeon and PBS as a kid. Alot of good role models for me, encouraging reading and doing other good things. Being smart was like being cool. That is what happened when I watched shows like Ghostwriter, Nick News, Bill Nye The Science Guy, Where In The World Is Carmen San Diego, Reading Rainbow, etc. When you had athletes like Shaquille O'Neill with encouraging messages for the children, yes, there were alot of good role models on TV. If there was any decade for me, the 90's were it.
NO.
BUT to rebel by any means possible, b*tch & moan about ME, ME, ME and what ME WANTS and HOW ME WANTS to live and how ME WANTS EVERYONE to ACCEPT ME living like this and how ME WANTS everyone else to LIVE THEIR LIFE from now on too!
ME, MY wants, MY needs!
Me knows whats best for ME.....AND YOU.
As Liberal / Progressive an ideology as it gets and one that slithered its ugly head into every facet of American life and society today.
So YOU are wanting things YOUR way while complaining that everybody always wants things their way? um...ok...
Now I know why I wasn't 100% able to love the 50s. I graduated from high school in 1950 as a white male, straight but very liberal. I guess it was that liberal thinking that kept me from getting it all. Things didn't change a whole lot for me when I went conservative, or at least anti-liberal, in 1972.
Bye the bye, I didn't know very many black people until I got in the Army in 1954 and one of them became my best friend. I sure wish I knew where Joe is today.
This is the thing. You may have had some liberal leaning, but being a White male in the 1950s, you would have been entitled to more than I would have been in those days. Political beliefs, well, you could keep that to yourself. Me, I am just Black wherever I go, do I can't change that. One can change political beliefs, one can hide their sexual orientation(in some cases, changing it). However, one cannot change one's race or ethnicity. That is part of why I would never live in the 1950's.
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One group can't reap all the benefits at the expense of others. I say let's all be grumpy together, till society decays (either that, or learn to deal with the fact that everyone needs the same unalienable rights to progress as a society)....Let's keep it up...
(The world will go on, and no one listens to complaining/whining people nowadays). 
