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Old 10-19-2009, 12:43 AM
 
Location: Thumb of Michigan
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Here's the link -- (quite a read) Franklin D. Roosevelt Presidential Library and Museum - Text of FDR's 1944 State of the Union Speech


(snippet)

In our day these economic truths have become accepted as self-evident. We have accepted, so to speak, a second Bill of Rights under which a new basis of security and prosperity can be established for all regardless of station, race, or creed.

Among these are:

The right to a useful and remunerative job in the industries or shops or farms or mines of the Nation;

The right to earn enough to provide adequate food and clothing and recreation;

The right of every farmer to raise and sell his products at a return which will give him and his family a decent living;

The right of every businessman, large and small, to trade in an atmosphere of freedom from unfair competition and domination by monopolies at home or abroad;

The right of every family to a decent home;

The right to adequate medical care and the opportunity to achieve and enjoy good health;

The right to adequate protection from the economic fears of old age, sickness, accident, and unemployment;

The right to a good education.

All of these rights spell security. And after this war is won we must be prepared to move forward, in the implementation of these rights, to new goals of human happiness and well-being.

America's own rightful place in the world depends in large part upon how fully these and similar rights have been carried into practice for our citizens. For unless there is security here at home there cannot be lasting peace in the world.
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Old 10-19-2009, 06:06 AM
 
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Here's the link -- (quite a read) Franklin D. Roosevelt Presidential Library and Museum - Text of FDR's 1944 State of the Union Speech


(snippet)

In our day these economic truths have become accepted as self-evident. We have accepted, so to speak, a second Bill of Rights under which a new basis of security and prosperity can be established for all regardless of station, race, or creed.

Among these are:

The right to a useful and remunerative job in the industries or shops or farms or mines of the Nation;

The right to earn enough to provide adequate food and clothing and recreation;

The right of every farmer to raise and sell his products at a return which will give him and his family a decent living;

The right of every businessman, large and small, to trade in an atmosphere of freedom from unfair competition and domination by monopolies at home or abroad;

The right of every family to a decent home;

The right to adequate medical care and the opportunity to achieve and enjoy good health;

The right to adequate protection from the economic fears of old age, sickness, accident, and unemployment;

The right to a good education.

All of these rights spell security. And after this war is won we must be prepared to move forward, in the implementation of these rights, to new goals of human happiness and well-being.

America's own rightful place in the world depends in large part upon how fully these and similar rights have been carried into practice for our citizens. For unless there is security here at home there cannot be lasting peace in the world.
FDR's administration was peppered with communists, including the infamous Alger Hiss. So no surprise that FDR gives a speech that Stalin could have given. Obama has the same perverted understanding of the word "right" that FDR had. The Founding Fathers' notion of rights was that they were God-given and derived from the freedom we enjoy as His creation. The purpose of government, then, was to protect these rights. For people like Obama (and FDR before him) rights come from government (what the government gives it can take away) and the purpose of government is to guarantee these "rights" by taking from some to give to others. The original Bill of Rights did not take anything from anyone. In other words "rights", properly understood, is not a zero sum game. Your rights do not come at my expense. Not so with FDR's "Five Freedoms". Someone else ultimately ends up paying for those "rights."
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Old 10-19-2009, 06:19 AM
 
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Default Why can't we read?

Has reading so declined in this country even the simplest of sentences and phrases escape the comprehension of the average reader?

The OP claims in his headline, "FDR's call for a "Second Bill of Rights" then proceeds to quote these enumerated rights but either ignores their introductory paragraph or completely misreads it:
"In our day these economic truths have become accepted as self-evident. We have accepted, so to speak, a second Bill of Rights under which a new basis of security and prosperity can be established for all regardless of station, race, or creed"
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One does not "call for" something new, but instead points out that which pre-exists, the perceived right to the enumerated socio-economic conditions. The very fact that he refers to the Second Bill of rights idiomatically can only lead one to understand that he was not calling for the enactment of a Second Bill of Rights but was instead speaking of rhetorically about fulfilling his vision for a just and equitable society.
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Old 10-19-2009, 06:27 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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FDR “Bill of Rights”

No wonder the plutocrats hated FDR. I find this to be perfectly reasonable because I believe that a proper economy makes certain no one is starving before anyone gets so rich they can live on the interest. The citizenry of the United States did very well under the Federal tax codes of the 1940's and 50's. Everyone seemed to be working and doing fairly well.

This all ended when the plutocrats elected Ronnie Raygun to start taking apart our egalitarian society in favor of the richest monopolists. The result is our current depression.

We will get out of this mess when we reinstitute FDR’s “bill of rights” and institute an economy that is for the benefit of all the citizens and not just the top 1%.
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Old 10-19-2009, 06:37 AM
 
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Here's the link -- (quite a read) Franklin D. Roosevelt Presidential Library and Museum - Text of FDR's 1944 State of the Union Speech


(snippet)

In our day these economic truths have become accepted as self-evident. We have accepted, so to speak, a second Bill of Rights under which a new basis of security and prosperity can be established for all regardless of station, race, or creed.

Among these are:

The right to a useful and remunerative job in the industries or shops or farms or mines of the Nation;

The right to earn enough to provide adequate food and clothing and recreation;

The right of every farmer to raise and sell his products at a return which will give him and his family a decent living;

The right of every businessman, large and small, to trade in an atmosphere of freedom from unfair competition and domination by monopolies at home or abroad;

The right of every family to a decent home;

The right to adequate medical care and the opportunity to achieve and enjoy good health;

The right to adequate protection from the economic fears of old age, sickness, accident, and unemployment;

The right to a good education.

All of these rights spell security. And after this war is won we must be prepared to move forward, in the implementation of these rights, to new goals of human happiness and well-being.

America's own rightful place in the world depends in large part upon how fully these and similar rights have been carried into practice for our citizens. For unless there is security here at home there cannot be lasting peace in the world.
Done of these are a right. You do have the right to do these things your self . It's not the govt. job to do them for you.
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Old 10-19-2009, 06:48 AM
 
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Done of these are a right. You do have the right to do these things your self . It's not the govt. job to do them for you.
How are you as an individual going to prevent monopolies and illegal trusts?

How are you as an individual going to enforce housing standards?

How are you as an individual going to educate a societies children?

How are you as an individual going to prevent discrimination based upon race or creed?

Just curious.
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Old 10-19-2009, 07:03 AM
 
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How are you as an individual going to prevent monopolies and illegal trusts?

How are you as an individual going to enforce housing standards?

How are you as an individual going to educate a societies children?

How are you as an individual going to prevent discrimination based upon race or creed?

Just curious.
Really ,public schools have been around b4 this 2nd bill of rights .they are private schools and home schooling. public schools have been on the decline for yrs and can not promise a better education results.Govt. can't stop discrimination. you can't control what aperson thinks. Housing the govt. can't promise that your house is not a piece of Sh*T By letting the govt. to pass a 2ND BILL OF RIGHTS you would be making them a monopoly.

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Old 10-19-2009, 07:19 AM
 
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Really ,public schools have been around b4 this 2nd bill of rights .they are private schools and home schooling. public schools have been on the decline for yrs and can not promise a better education results.Govt. can't stop discrimination. you can't control what aperson thinks. Housing the govt. can't promise that your house is not a piece of Sh*T
Are you honestly attempting to argue that the number of children receiving a formal education now is less than prior to 1945 than now? Are you honestly attempting to argue that the number of students attending Colleges and Universities now is less than prior to 1945 than now? And if not are you then going to attempt to argue that those increases are not a result of vigorous government actions?

Are you honestly attempting to argue that the levels of racial discrimination are not less now than they were prior to 1945 than now. If not will you then attempt to argue that de facto discrimination was abolished as a result of government intervention?

Are you honestly attempting to argue that substandard housing is greater now than in 1945? Will you attempt to argue that government imposed housing standards, rural electrification, and availability of clean running water to homes are less now than prior to 1945?

As for the decline in the educational standards, when you write sentences like:
Really ,public schools have been around b4 this 2nd bill of rights .they are private schools and home schooling. public schools have been on the decline for yrs and can not promise a better education results.
I can't argue with that point.
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Old 10-19-2009, 07:57 AM
 
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Are you honestly attempting to argue that the number of children receiving a formal education now is less than prior to 1945 than now? Are you honestly attempting to argue that the number of students attending Colleges and Universities now is less than prior to 1945 than now? And if not are you then going to attempt to argue that those increases are not a result of vigorous government actions?

Are you honestly attempting to argue that the levels of racial discrimination are not less now than they were prior to 1945 than now. If not will you then attempt to argue that de facto discrimination was abolished as a result of government intervention?

Are you honestly attempting to argue that substandard housing is greater now than in 1945? Will you attempt to argue that government imposed housing standards, rural electrification, and availability of clean running water to homes are less now than prior to 1945?

As for the decline in the educational standards, when you write sentences like:
Really ,public schools have been around b4 this 2nd bill of rights .they are private schools and home schooling. public schools have been on the decline for yrs and can not promise a better education results.
I can't argue with that point.
Children maybe receving a education . But not a better one. Colleges are private .you chose to go, not a right and no guarantee of a better education. Goverment may pass laws to curb discrimanation but can not promise it won't happen.besides constition says equal under the law.As stated their is no guarantee that house is not a piece of crap. Granted the govt. has step in on a great many of these issues . but the constition does not say you have a right to a house , health care, or a job.But you do have the right to go get these things your self on your own.this is nothing more than what FDR perceived to be rights. the constition can guarantee equal under the law but not equal results .
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Old 10-19-2009, 08:24 AM
 
Location: NJ/NY
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Please search before starting a new thread. This must have been on one of the websites or shows.

https://www.city-data.com/forum/polit...Bill+of+Rights

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