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Old 10-20-2009, 12:01 PM
 
Location: USA
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20% is only the number of those who are willing to admit to being a Republican. The birthers, teabaggers and deathers may have frightened some people who are Republican into saying "Independent" but when time comes to vote it will be straight ticket Republican.
Perhaps. Or they will say you know what, forget it, I'm voting for a Libertartian or Independent this time around. Some of them may be so turned off that they might not even show up to vote at all.
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Old 10-20-2009, 12:39 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Poll: 20% Identify Themselves as Republican
That's all they sampled. Obviously, the intent is to help obama.

A very skewed and biased sample; This is the only way to get the answers they are looking for;

Hot Air » Blog Archive » WaPo/ABC poll uses skewed sample to show public-option support

51-39% gap in favor of democrats.

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The sampling comprises 33% Democrats, as opposed to only 20% Republicans. That thirteen-point spread is two points larger than their September polling, at 32%/21%. More tellingly, it’s significantly larger than their Election Day sample, which included 35% Democrats to 26% Republicans for a gap of nine points, about a third smaller than the gap in this poll. Of course, that’s when they were more concerned about accuracy over political points of view.
Even with the biased sample, they get this result for obamacare.

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In question 6, “Overall, given what you know about them, would you say you support or oppose the proposed changes to the health care system being developed by (Congress) and (the Obama administration)?”, only 45% said they approved, while 48% said they disapproved
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Old 10-20-2009, 12:52 PM
 
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That's all they sampled. Obviously, the intent is to help obama. A very skewed and biased sample; This is the only way to get the answers they are looking for...
Come on. You don't control the sample for self-reported party identification. It's one of the variables you're trying to measure. People change their minds all the time. The fact is more and more people have been deciding that they don't any longer identify with Republicans, just as more and more people have been deciding that they do support the idea of some form of public option as part of health care reform.
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Old 10-20-2009, 12:59 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Come on. You don't control the sample for self-reported party identification. It's one of the variables you're trying to measure. People change their minds all the time. The fact is more and more people have been deciding that they don't any longer identify with Republicans, just as more and more people have been deciding that they do support the idea of some form of public option as part of health care reform.
When they include "leaners", the sample is 51-39% gap in favor of democrats.

None of the credible polling outfits use such a chasm in party ID.

Does it really surprise you....no forget that.

It is NOT surprising that ABC/WaPo would put a poll out like this. Unfortunately for them, the huge gap in party affiliation raises questions about bias and objectivity.
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Old 10-20-2009, 01:09 PM
 
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In the same poll that shows the majority want a public option comes some interesting data. Only 20% of respondents identified themselves as Republican, the lowest single number in Post-ABC polls since 1983.

Before Democrats get too happy about the 20%, keep in mind that 42% of respondents identify themselves with Independents, and only 33% consider themselves Democrats. It's time to buck the two-party system.

I find it interesting that the Republicans haven't gained any traction, despite their constant attacks against Obama. The Republicans need to come up with legitimate reasons why those on the fence should vote for them. What's in it for us? If they can do that then they can be more confident in 2010. Otherwise they're going to struggle to takeover the House. We'll also have to see how Obama and the Democrats handle the economy and Afghanistan these next few months.

As an Independent I can tell you what's in it for us, they are not Democrats! I usually vote Republican because what the Democrats offer up is so much worse. It would be great if a strong third party canddate came up but it would have to be massive on the ground work to spread the word. We all know main stream media will never give a third party candidate any airtime.
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Old 10-20-2009, 01:09 PM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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In the same poll that shows the majority want a public option comes some interesting data. Only 20% of respondents identified themselves as Republican, the lowest single number in Post-ABC polls since 1983.

Before Democrats get too happy about the 20%, keep in mind that 42% of respondents identify themselves with Independents, and only 33% consider themselves Democrats. It's time to buck the two-party system.

I find it interesting that the Republicans haven't gained any traction, despite their constant attacks against Obama. The Republicans need to come up with legitimate reasons why those on the fence should vote for them. What's in it for us? If they can do that then they can be more confident in 2010. Otherwise they're going to struggle to takeover the House. We'll also have to see how Obama and the Democrats handle the economy and Afghanistan these next few months.

I guess 20% is all it takes.

RealClearPolitics - Electoral Map (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/maps/obama_vs_mccain/?map=18 - broken link)

RealClearPolitics - Electoral Map (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/maps/obama_vs_mccain/?map=17 - broken link)
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Old 10-20-2009, 01:16 PM
 
Location: between Ath,GR & Mia,FL...
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U expect the truth about Reps from..."Was Post '?
Like seeking the truth about Jews by asking Palestinians...
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Old 10-20-2009, 01:17 PM
 
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I guess 20% is all it takes.

RealClearPolitics - Electoral Map (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/maps/obama_vs_mccain/?map=18 - broken link)

RealClearPolitics - Electoral Map (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/maps/obama_vs_mccain/?map=17 - broken link)
Yeah it was interesting to see them say "the lowest since '83" when a year later was one of the largest landslides in Presidential History.

We aren't going to see one of those maps largely a single color for a very long time.
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Old 10-20-2009, 01:26 PM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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Other than running against all things Obama/Democrats, what do you think Republicans should run on? What policies?

That's all it will take.

Hopey-changey is done.

No jobs, lots of new debt, no happy ending in middle east, etc.

Generic Congressional Ballot - Rasmussen Reports™

The next election is the congressional midterm.

I guess the obvious question is, Are you better off now than you were a year ago?
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Old 10-20-2009, 01:27 PM
 
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The Republican politicians lost their conservative values and spent like a bunch of drunken sailors, gave money out to their buddies, and Bush did nothing about the borders, and signed everything that came across his desk. They need to establish some credibility before this Independent votes for them...so I am looking for Inde candidates to stand up to the challenge...
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