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Old 10-24-2009, 04:08 PM
 
Location: A safe distance from San Francisco
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Originally Posted by hawkeye2009 View Post
No- if people think the way they do for no reason at all, they are idiots. One must have a basis for your beliefs and views, otherwise those "beliefs" are just a collection of random thoughts with no theme.

I do not feel smart. I just know that most liberals are ignorant, as they have no idea that thier "views" were developed as a malevolent plan to disrupt western culture through the Frankfurt Group with the aid of the Soviets. My views were based on the Constitution. After you have read the Franfurt Group links, you should read the constitution. It is a fast read, but the bill of rights has to be read very slowly, such that you consider each amendment.

Did you read the link? That is why you believe in PC language, legalization of drugs, "free love", gay rights, "internationalism", hate the church, are pro NAFTA, and are for illegal immigration. These views, if presented to a rational person in the 1920s, would have you committed to a mental institution. Now they are "normal" liberal views.

You have been played for a "useful idiot" by the marxists and apparently do not understand the significance of this. I guess if I was played for a patsie, I would be a little angry. Read the links. At least you will know why your masters fed you this pablum. More knowledge is better.
You're diggin' yourself in deeper....much deeper, Hawkeye....

 
Old 10-24-2009, 04:10 PM
 
Location: Sierra Vista, AZ
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Originally Posted by I Like Taxes View Post
Locke was a classical liberal, not a modern day one. In fact, the closest ideology you find that expresses classical liberalism usually come from Conservatives, such as Barry Goldwater and Ron Paul.


Don't forget THIS GUY. Who believed the market would correct itself despite all of the evidence to the contrary
 
Old 10-24-2009, 04:11 PM
 
Location: The ends DO NOT justify the means!!!
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Originally Posted by delusianne View Post
It looks to me as if you just want lower taxes. But you want the benefits taxes bring and the local and national strength that are dependent on taxes. Your anti-school, anti-extended military suggestions are just silly.

If there are organizations that have figured out detailed, realistic, doable smaller fed/state government scenarios and the cost of them, please let me know, Id be interested.
Well what you "see" is not anything that I wrote. We will simply have to disagree.

I am consistently for individual freedom while you get to pick and choose according to your own personal interest when freedom is to be respected. Thanks for making that abundantly clear.
 
Old 10-24-2009, 04:13 PM
 
Location: A safe distance from San Francisco
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Until the next "crisis" that is created by government interference is used to commit wholesale theft of the American people to fund more government interference which will create another crisis. Rinse, spit, and repeat. Rinse, spit, and repeat.
I take some issue with you there, as government interference was by no means the sole creator of the crisis.
 
Old 10-24-2009, 04:15 PM
 
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The OP obviously has no intention of trying to understand or wanting to understand the liberal point of view.
 
Old 10-24-2009, 04:21 PM
 
Location: Sierra Vista, AZ
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The OP obviously has no intention of trying to understand or wanting to understand the liberal point of view.
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Old 10-24-2009, 04:23 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Why a liberal? Easy. Liberals are progressive where Conservatives are regressive. What's so hard about that?
The US Constitution was progressive and it was liberal, when compared to the tyranny of totalitarianism of the past, and even the types of tyranny that exist around the world today. All modern conservatism is trying to do, is preserve our constitutional freedoms and liberties from the threat of regressive tyranny.

What could be more progressive then the freedoms and liberties guaranteed in the US Constitution and the Bill of Rights? What exactly are the modern progresses progressing to? That's the question. Do the progresses want to take away some of our freedoms and liberties and give control over those rights and freedoms to the state? If so, what the hell is progressive about that? It sounds like it is regressive to turn a free country into one where the state has all the power and control, and the people are left to just do what they are told - and they best shut up about it too.

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Old 10-24-2009, 04:24 PM
 
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Don't forget THIS GUY. Who believed the market would correct itself despite all of the evidence to the contrary
You are simply straying off topic and making erroneous claims. Many free marketers will point to Greenspan's desire to artificially lower the interest that helped caused over consumption, malinvestment, and bubbles.

Greenspan also advocated that fiat money should be treated as gold, but we all know that he didn't adhere to his core principles. He inflated and deflated the money supply numerous times during his tenure.

Plus, the CB is a government granted monopoly that bears special privileges and responsibilities. It would fall under government planning, not free market ideas. In fact, when people started to create their own local and stable currency, the government quashed them and sent them to jail.
 
Old 10-24-2009, 04:29 PM
 
Location: The ends DO NOT justify the means!!!
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Pointing out that Federal Reserve is a privately owned monopoly of our currecy, and thus complete ownership and control of everything in it indirectly, will be attacked by the tyrants and collectivists without any mercy. They love to bash the "free-market" even though we have had nothing even remotely close to once since Wilson. But it cannot be pointed out enough.
 
Old 10-24-2009, 04:33 PM
 
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The US Constitution was progressive and it was liberal, when compared to the tyranny of totalitarianism of the past, and even the types of tyranny that exist around the world today. All modern conservatism is trying to do is preserve our constitutional freedoms and liberties from the current progressive tyranny.

What could be more progressive then the freedoms and liberties guaranteed in the US Constitution and the Bill of Rights? What exactly are the modern progresses progressing to? That's the question. Do the progresses want to take away some of our freedoms and liberties and give control over those rights and freedoms to the state? If so, what the hellis progressive about that? It sounds like it is regressive to turn a free country into one where the state has all the power and control, and the people are left to just do what they are told - and they best shut up about it too.
Sadly, the world has changed since 1776. Who's telling anyone to shut up? No one, though Faux made quite a bit of hay this last week pretending like an unpopular high school girl they were getting attention when they just... werent.

"Modern conservatism" has less than no interest in your freedom and every interest in exploiting that buzzword to maintain your frightened loyalty. What freedom of yours have been taken away since January 20 2009? What freedom was restored to you on January 20 2001? What unconstitutional things are happening now? Even the NRA has taken down their frantic warnings of the democrats snatching away your Second Amendment rights. (They'll be up again in 2010, though )
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