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Reading on this forum, I am a little suprised that many of the marxists/leftists do not even know the origins of liberalism in America and why they promote and advocate positions that often seem very strange and self destructive to the rest of us. I was taught about the Frankfort School even in high school, so I had assumed it was common knowledge. This was in a class taught by a retired Notre Dame prof.
Liberals- read about this group and you will understand that your beliefs are tools that were and are advocated to erode the west and make it more palatable to marxism. Just read for once and open your eyes. You will see all your "beliefs" there. THINK. Your "beliefs" were not established for the purpose of good, but evil.
Catholic Insight : Features : The Frankfurt School: Conspiracy to corrupt (http://catholicinsight.com/online/features/article_882.shtml - broken link)
Frankfurt School (http://www.newtotalitarians.com/FrankfurtSchool.html - broken link)
I think both sides are evil, which is why I am side-less. But since the conservatives have been such sore losers this round I can't say I will support their sorry butts anytime soon. People like you make me vote democrat.
Ahhhhhhh......the knee-jerk rage of the left in response to independent thought. As predictable as the sunrise....
Independent thought is feaure of conservatives, I'll grant you that,howvever, like most severely mentally ill people it's delusional and totally divorced from any reality.
Oh, I understand completely, I think you're the person who does not. Read your own posts, homosexuality taught in schools or by liberals? You should be ashamed of yourself for posting such nonsense and lies, and such inflammatory statements.
I guess I do not understand your point at all, as it makes no sense.
Homosexuality taught in public schools? Yes it is. Should it be- no, probably not.
Again, what is your point, and what specifically should one be ashamed of? Clarity would help.
Again, for the tenth time, perhaps you could read about the Frankfurt Group and understand the basis of your liberal views. I read the Constitution and know where my views originated. If you do not understand the origins of your "beliefs", then your views are very shallow indeed and have not suffered much analysis on your part. Do you believe what everyone tells you, without critical analysis of those viewpoints? Apparently. Look a little deeper and read more.
Those with money tend to have earned it by people voluntarily giving them money in exchange for services rendered. Power is not evil in and of itself, using power to force people to do things inlvoluntarily is.
Okay.. and using the "power" to keep others down and create laws that actually HURT the population as a whole while fattening the pockets of the upper heirachy IS wielding POWER in a way that harms others.
Our government is bought and paid for by special interests. Laws are no longer created with people and the safety of it's people in mind, but purely about how well a company will profit or how much they stand to loose when enacting something that is in the best interest of people.. if it happens to be in conflict with their cash cow, they object.. irregardless of who is hurt in the process.
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The only true tyrants are those who initiate force to compel others to act involuntarily.
Yeah.. okay..like we all work for companies because we have a choice.
Instead, we live in a society that small businessses can no longer provide adequately for it's employees.. nor has the ability to grow as a result of larger corporations sucking it all dry!
How many people are working for someone in a job they hate all to keep their benefits. Meanwhile we could switch to a system that would actually unenslave so many and allow them to actually go out and create their own wealth.. not just be limited to the salary dictated by the heads of companies.. who, by the way, tend to reward themselves generously while squandering that of their employees! Just look at the gap between the worker and the CEO's
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A just individual, group, or government only uses retaliatory force against an individual, group, or government which initiates force.
If that is "twisted" logic, I fear what may be viewed as "rational" logic.
The twisted logic is thinking that by actually passing laws that are best for the society in general, and NOT just the upper echeleon.. is considered retalitory? Perhaps if people weren't such greedy pigs their would be no need for any "retaliation" and we would be happy with the status quo. Treat your employees as many have been over the last decades..squander them, push them down and they are bound to say enough if enough!!
remember..those CEO's NEED the middle class.. it's not only their hard work that gave them those obscene bonuses and payments.. it's at the back and expense of EVERY worker in that building. teh SAME workers who are needed to BE happy and NOT squashed economically.. after all, we are the ones that actually BUY the products they (the company ) sell. When WE the people actually stop spending... look what happens.
Oh.. but of course the CEO won't give up their obscene bonuses.. instead they'll just fire their workers to raise profits, never mind taking a pay cut themselves to actually save jobs.. God forbid they have to sell one of their homes or luxuries to actually do right by the employees that help add to their success as a company!
No.. the guys who run companies have forgotten their employees. Across the board..
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The real tyrant in our society is "our" government which enacts preferential law. "Evil" businesses, the "evil" rich, and whoever else we deem "evil" for exercising their remaining freedoms, are simply engaging in what "our" government has allowed by law.
Our government is only "EVIL" because it has been corrupted by the GREED for the almighty dollar and has allowed themselves to be purchased by the higher bidder.
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The "middle" class standing up to big business by calling for a stronger government tyrant that is in collusion with those businesses is like paying one gang to "protect" you from another gang. You are still going to be abused.
The middle class NEEDS to government to stand up to the tyrants that have been allowed, especially of the last 8 years, to run a mock with their greed.
Were they thinking of the country when the made themselves so big and took so many market risks that have brought us to the brink now? NO, and it's the governments job.. which is the ARM OF THe PEOPLE .. to step in and stop the nonsense! Otherwise, it's just the wild wild west.. and the rest of us will be peasants at the mercy of the greedy pigs.
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The "middle" class needs to stand up to the real tyrants. The Federal Godvernment which steals whatever wealth you would have had and which "regulates" you into insignificance.
I look at the government as the protector against the tyrants.. once it actually frees itself from the 'devil' influence.. ie: actually LISTENS to the people and gives them what they want.. NOT what the corporations want.. .. as they only want what is best for their bottom line irregardless of who is hurt
The "middle" class needs to stand up to the shylocks and money-changers who literally own us. The private owners of our "Federal" Reserve which have absolute, and seemingly indirect, control of everything that takes place in this country. Their exclusive and private monopoly of our currency has lead to the greatest of all thefts and abuses of all of the people except for the Chosen Families.
I know that we have been going back and forth. I hope you realize that I am not "attacking" you personally. Your concern for those who are hurting, disadvantaged, and need help is not wrong. It is a natural human emotion that I share with you. Do you really believe that I want to see people dying? Do you really think that I like to see people who are poor? Do you really believe that I am some person who wishes ill-fortune upon my fellow man? If you do, then you are severely mistaken. It is my deep concern for my fellow man, each and every one of them, that I take the stances that I do.
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Is freedom perfect? No. Is our system perfect? No. Will there ever be a perfect system? No. I just feel that if we are never to be ideal, which is impossible, we should at least seek to be free to decide for ourselves what is best for ourselves with the only restriction that we do no harm unto others through force.
what I feel , is what I feel is best for myself and for my country. You seem to think that allowing everyone to run amock is what is best. I've seen what De-regulation can do.. no thank you, I'll take the government regulation to keep the greedy bloodsuckers in check, thank you
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A just individual, group, or government only uses retaliatory force against an individual, group, or government which initiates force.
Live and let live.
the problem is, you consider it retaliatory.. I consider it a way of preventing more harm to the people by people who care only about one thing.. Money and how much they can get , keep and have for themselves regardless of the consequences.
i have nothing against my fellow democrats, and moderates. or my fellow conservatives and members of the GOP. but let's not go crazy here. no one in office in the US is by any means "extremist" or has ever been "socialist". The US is politically CONSERVATIVE overall. I'm not even talking in terms of party lines. Americans overall are more conservative than our European brothers and sisters. Obama is considered a MODERATE by many over there, hence why he's loved.
GW Bush is not the devil.
Obama is not the next Hilter.
It's okay to be politically involved and vocal. It's okay to be devout to a party or ideology. But let's relax. Things are getting too heated and it's honestly making me uncomfortable now. People need to chill the hell out before words and actions are exchanged that won't be easily forgiven or taken back. And I'm not talking about this forum, but the American political landscape in general.
i have nothing against my fellow democrats, and moderates. or my fellow conservatives and members of the GOP. but let's not go crazy here. no one in office in the US is by any means "extremist" or has ever been "socialist". The US is politically CONSERVATIVE overall. I'm not even talking in terms of party lines. Americans overall are more conservative than our European brothers and sisters. Obama is considered a MODERATE by many over there, hence why he's loved.
GW Bush is not the devil.
Obama is not the next Hilter.
It's okay to be politically involved and vocal. It's okay to be devout to a party or ideology. But let's relax. Things are getting too heated and it's honestly making me uncomfortable now. People need to chill the hell out before words and actions are exchanged that won't be easily forgiven or taken back. And I'm not talking about this forum, but the American political landscape in general.
Good points.
I actually don't follow any parties ideology. I have my own and then choose my candidate based on which one most reflects my viewpoints. It just so happens to be that the Democrats do.
And, as I stated in the beginning I never labeled myself a liberal. Someone else put that title on me.
That being said, I certainly do not believe that Bush is the devil and i can't stand when people liken our current President to Hitler.
What I do find evil is greed and how rampant it runs within our government and within our corporate structures here in America and watching good, hard working, honest people suffer.. and I find it deplorable that there is such a huge gap within corporate structures in this country.
As I stated, it seems like the guys on top have gotten so full of themselves and are busy patting themselves on the back and awarding themselves some obscene salaries while forgetting that they would be nothing without their employees who helped get them there. They didn't get there themselves, as much as they would like to think they did.
Why a liberal? Easy. Liberals are progressive where Conservatives are regressive. What's so hard about that?
You believe liberals are "Progressive"?
So, flamboyant homosexuality, prostitution, interracial breeding, dissolution of marriage, and a broken European economic system is Progressive?? I thought these were regressive attributes most commonly associated with mindless animals. The greatness and wealth of Europe originated from imperialism/colonialism just like the US and I guarantee if we follow the path of what Europe is today, the US will be one large slum of degenerates hoping to survive off of the crumbs that China will allow us to have.
No- if people think the way they do for no reason at all, they are idiots. One must have a basis for your beliefs and views, otherwise those "beliefs" are just a collection of random thoughts with no theme.
I do not feel smart. I just know that most liberals are ignorant, as they have no idea that thier "views" were developed as a malevolent plan to disrupt western culture through the Frankfurt Group with the aid of the Soviets. My views were based on the Constitution. After you have read the Franfurt Group links, you should read the constitution. It is a fast read, but the bill of rights has to be read very slowly, such that you consider each amendment.
Did you read the link? That is why you believe in PC language, legalization of drugs, "free love", gay rights, "internationalism", hate the church, are pro NAFTA, and are for illegal immigration. These views, if presented to a rational person in the 1920s, would have you committed to a mental institution. Now they are "normal" liberal views.
You have been played for a "useful idiot" by the marxists and apparently do not understand the significance of this. I guess if I was played for a patsie, I would be a little angry. Read the links. At least you will know why your masters fed you this pablum. More knowledge is better.
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