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Right - because those were campaign SLOGANS, not the platform (which would be the part where the DNC took a stand on issues, as I outlined several posts ago).
When you say "all of it" do you mean you personally agree with the 10 tenets or do you mean you agree with the RNC requiring its candidates to endorse 8/10 tenets in order to run as a Republican?
I'm sorry, but requiring a loyalty test to a political party can only be considered a good thing by people who advocate totalitarian government. Republicans in Minnesota aren't exactly the same to Republicans in Florida or Republicans in California or Republicans in Michigan. People in those states or districts elect a candidate because he reflects the people's goals, opinions, desires. The party has a multitude of strategies to enforce an agenda, but this purity pledge is a form a coercion, to what purpose? Do you think a Republican elected official is going to stray far from his party and from his constituents, or is a Republican elected official going to have to make a choice sometimes between what his constituents want, and what the party wants? Should that elected official betray the people who elected him? Because that's what this purity pledge requires. That's no way to support the Constitution and the representative government that elected officials also have to take an oath to uphold and defend.
Not really, those who find these 10 listed items to be objectionable are the same posters who have discussed in multiple threads their disdain for Republicans. I can tell you that Republicans in California would generally support those items.
That isn't the target audience, even though they are the posters generally participating in this thread discussion. The RNC isn't interested in persuading those folks to support their candidates, rather they want to reactivate their base and a chunk of the independent voters.
It's about time they weeded out the RINOs, all wolves in sheeps clothing! I bet the liberals would want to know if some Democrat did not support homosexuality.
The RNC isn't interested in persuading those folks to support their candidates, rather they want to reactivate their base and a chunk of the independent voters.
They will never, ever, ever attract independents with that agenda. Never. They're more likely to repel independents than attract them with that kind of strict ideology.
They will never, ever, ever attract independents with that agenda. Never. They're more likely to repel independents than attract them with that kind of strict ideology.
I do believe you are wrong. I was a Republican the became a registered Independent because of the RINOs in the Republican party. Many Republicans became Independents for the same reason and will go back IF they get rid of the Democrats posing as Republicans that have fouled the party.
They will never, ever, ever attract independents with that agenda. Never. They're more likely to repel independents than attract them with that kind of strict ideology.
I disagree with you here, I believe that a lot of the independent voters won't find many of those objectionable, especially if the "current" economic environment hasn't significantly improved by the next election cycle.
Quite a bit of Obama's support was a negative reaction to Bush. Despite the drumbeats of folks like Chris Matthews and Keith Olbermann, most independent voters are now viewing the current circumstance the result of decisions being made by Obama, Reid and Pelosi.
I do believe you are wrong. I was a Republican the became a registered Independent because of the RINOs in the Republican party. Many Republicans became Independents for the same reason and will go back IF they get rid of the Democrats posing as Republicans that have fouled the party.
This sort of talk is patently foolish. There are NO dems posing as GOP'ers. Gimmicks like purity or loyalty oaths are the work of extremists and should concern us all that something is terribly amiss in the GOP, which I think is the case. The GOP was hijacked by a group of religious extremists who want to cast out anyone who does not rigidly align themselves with the narrow dictates of these self-appointed masters of the universe, who in reality are nothing but delusional old fools.
If the tent is going to be big, it HAS to include moderates, has to include those who dislike abortion but want to keep it legal, has to include those who know gay marriage is NOT a threat to anyone or to our nation, has to include those who want to see everyone get access to health care. But by their actions, the GOP is intentionally excluding millions of people who embrace some or all of these moderate positions. That's too bad for the GOP, they'll continue to shrink into a party that increasingly is a hateful circus of angry white whack jobs.
I was always a moderate, always felt there were many ways to skin the cat when solving national issues, almost always voted GOP, always sent money to GOP moderates like John Warner, but today's GOP is a scary mess of greedy vested interests and angry screaming loons who keep veering off ever farther to the right. The Purity Pledge is just the latest example of driving off a cliff.
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I disagree with you here, I believe that a lot of the independent voters won't find many of those objectionable, especially if the "current" economic environment hasn't significantly improved by the next election cycle.
Quite a bit of Obama's support was a negative reaction to Bush. Despite the drumbeats of folks like Chris Matthews and Keith Olbermann, most independent voters are now viewing the current circumstance the result of decisions being made by Obama, Reid and Pelosi.
Re-read what you just wrote.
1. Independent voters won't find many of those things objectionable.
Ok, how does that contradict the contention that the things on that list won't attract independents? Not finding something objectionable isn't remotely the same as finding something attractive.
2. Independent voters are starting to blame Obama, Reid and Pelosi for the current problems facing the country.
Ok, how does that contradict the contention that the things on that list won't attract independents? So they felt negatively towards Bush, and now may feel negatively towards Obama et al. That doesn't mean that they'll like or agree with a single thing on that list. There's no correlation.
So basically you still haven't given any reason that these policies, or the demand that any contender for public office who calls themselves a Republican must adhere to a minimum of 8 of them, will draw in independents.
This sort of talk is patently foolish. There are NO dems posing as GOP'ers. Gimmicks like purity or loyalty oaths are the work of extremists and should concern us all that something is terribly amiss in the GOP, which I think is the case. The GOP was hijacked by a group of religious extremists who want to cast out anyone who does not rigidly align themselves with the narrow dictates of these self-appointed masters of the universe, who in reality are nothing but delusional old fools.
If the tent is going to be big, it HAS to include moderates, has to include those who dislike abortion but want to keep it legal, has to include those who know gay marriage is NOT a threat to anyone or to our nation, has to include those who want to see everyone get access to health care. But by their actions, the GOP is intentionally excluding millions of people who embrace some or all of these moderate positions. That's too bad for the GOP, they'll continue to shrink into a party that increasingly is a hateful circus of angry white whack jobs.
I was always a moderate, always felt there were many ways to skin the cat when solving national issues, almost always voted GOP, always sent money to GOP moderates like John Warner, but today's GOP is a scary mess of greedy vested interests and angry screaming loons who keep veering off ever farther to the right. The Purity Pledge is just the latest example of driving off a cliff.
Talk about foolish! Your whole post is foolish if you think I believe a word you wrote. From evey post you have written you are about as far from moderate as anyone can get. Many people I know left the Republican party because they felt they not much different than a Democrat. The only thing that will save the Republican Party is to reject liberalism NOT embrace it. It is liberalism that is destroying this country. The crowds Beck and Palin draw is proof the country is thursting for real conservatives.
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