I'll take anti-Obama arguments seriously when neocons admit Bush was a mistake (Iran, Iraq)
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Obama has not had much time to be a president, but since before he even started there were Obama haters. I'm talking about people who practically worshiped Bush, but will jump on every petty excuse to criticize Obama.
Obama may not be perfect, but you have to admit he is nowhere near as bad as Bush was. At the very least, he has so far gone two months longer than Bush has without having a major terrorist attack in the US, and he has worked hard to repair the crippled reputation the US had with the world because of Bush. He's got a long way to go, but hey, at least he's not Bush!
But the 'anti-Obama for the sake of anti-Obama' crowd obviously has no real argument, with their birther and deather arguments, fascism=socialism=communism=Obama fallacies, clown face Obama pictures and death threat bible verses, when they can't even look past the GOP blinders to see that Bush was a mistake. When/if they do, maybe they will be able to start thinking for themselves to make their own opinions about reality based on reason, and when that happens I will listen (maybe not agree, but at least listen).
Gitmo is still open.
Continuation of bank bailout (and auto).
Wars is still on, big time.
Super large debt.
Cap n trade.
No universal health care.
As far as I'm concerned, Obama isn't far off from Bush, hell the same Treasury Sec worked under Paulson during Bush and the same Defense Secretary of Bush. Though it is ironic how similar Obama is to Bush, the righties are still bashing Obama.
You changed the party and believe that you voted out the government, but the government remains the same and walks the same path of US hegemony since Truman.
Obama has not had much time to be a president, but since before he even started there were Obama haters. I'm talking about people who practically worshiped Bush, but will jump on every petty excuse to criticize Obama.
Obama may not be perfect, but you have to admit he is nowhere near as bad as Bush was. At the very least, he has so far gone two months longer than Bush has without having a major terrorist attack in the US, and he has worked hard to repair the crippled reputation the US had with the world because of Bush. He's got a long way to go, but hey, at least he's not Bush!
But the 'anti-Obama for the sake of anti-Obama' crowd obviously has no real argument, with their birther and deather arguments, fascism=socialism=communism=Obama fallacies, clown face Obama pictures and death threat bible verses, when they can't even look past the GOP blinders to see that Bush was a mistake. When/if they do, maybe they will be able to start thinking for themselves to make their own opinions about reality based on reason, and when that happens I will listen (maybe not agree, but at least listen).
Could not have said it better! Excellent post!
No Conservative can reasonably argue that....
Talk to a Libertarian. They will criticize both neocons and liberals. Democrats and Republicans are the same. It is a two headed one party system. The solution is to ban all political party preferences.
A neocon would never say Bush is a mistake. Neoconservatives believe in expanding the American empire/war/imperialism. Neocons also believe in spending, not just for war, but spending in general. Neocons have their historic roots on the left. So a true Neocon would be pleased with Bush although perhaps they could criticize him for not going far enough, for example he never went to war with Iran.
Now a real conservative like myself could find a lot to criticize Bush for. I didn't trust him in 2000 when he marketed himself as a "compassionate conservative". The word "compassion" was a red flag to me that he was not a true conservative. My fears were right as he turned out to be a big spender (although not nearly at the same pace as Obama). For example he expanded social programs such as food stamps. He even took away the stigma of food stamps by chnaging the name to "nutrition". That is not a real conservative!
I would say overall liberals are much more defensive and emotionally invested in Obama than conservatives were for Bush. To a liberal, Obama is the ideal, everything they want in a man and a politician. To a conservative Bush was just OK, the lesser of two evils...better than a Democrat but not nearly as good as a true conservative who wants to make government smaller.
Gitmo is still open.
Continuation of bank bailout (and auto).
Wars is still on, big time.
Super large debt.
Cap n trade.
No universal health care.
As far as I'm concerned, Obama isn't far off from Bush, hell the same Treasury Sec worked under Paulson during Bush and the same Defense Secretary of Bush. Though it is ironic how similar Obama is to Bush, the righties are still bashing Obama.
You changed the party and believe that you voted out the government, but the government remains the same and walks the same path of US hegemony since Truman.
1) Obama has been bashed from Day ONE he announced the closure of Gitmo. Now he gets bashed for not closing it yet? LOL Which is it Conservatives want? IF Obama had closed it 6 months ago you all would be bashing him for it left and right! hypocrisy!
****By the way he said within ONE YEAR. Am I the only one that notices its not ONE YEAR yet???? Give him AT LEAST the time he ask for****
2) Had Obama stopped the bailouts the economy would not be in recover right now (even earlier than the most generous estimates by economists).
If Obama had taken the Hebert Hoover route and didn't try to savage the economy, He would be bashed worse for not doing what was necessary....
3) Of course the wars are still on. What is Obama to do? Stop them? Pull out? OHHH but wait he would get bashed for that by Conservatives....
Stop ignoring Bush failed in Afghanistan and Iraq and that is why the TWO WARS ARE STILL GOING ON ALMOST 7 yrs later. Obama is trying to win an impossible fight he didnt start....
4) Super large debt? Because of Obama? LOL Please see Bush tripling of the nation's debt. Right now Obama can still work to balance the budget towards the end of his first term. All you Conservatives have are speculation and estimates.
5) Cap n trade....wake me up when he enacts it. Until then stop the whining. Cap and trade is not in affect and may never be so why whine and cry about it as much as you all do?
6) NO universal health care?
Are you serious? Thats all Obama has been trying to do. Name the last Republican President that has tried ANYTHING to fix our Healthcare system since Nixon?
Hopefully it gets done soon. Props to Obama for putting up a tough political fight for healthcare
Obama is so far from Bush. The fact that some Conservatives say that is evidence that you all dont know what to argue.
Obama is marxist, lenin, stalin, hitler, the boggy man, the guy who stole the Lindbergh baby...now he is BUSH????
LOL let the man lead and stop the hate. Support the President!
1) Obama has been bashed from Day ONE he announced the closure of Gitmo. Now he gets bashed for not closing it yet? LOL Which is it Conservatives want? IF Obama had closed it 6 months ago you all would be bashing him for it left and right! hypocrisy!
2) Had Obama stopped the bailouts the economy would not be in recover right now (even earlier than the most generous estimates by economists).
If Obama had taken the Hebert Hoover route and didn't try to savage the economy, He would be bashed worse for not doing what was necessary....
3) Of course the wars are still on. What is Obama to do? Stop them? Pull out? OHHH but wait he would get bashed for that by Conservatives....
Stop ignoring Bush failed in Afghanistan and Iraq and that is why the TWO WARS ARE STILL GOING ON ALMOST 7 yrs later. Obama is trying to win an impossible fight he didnt start....
4) Super large debt? Because of Obama? LOL Please see Bush tripling of the nation's debt. Right now Obama can still work to balance the budget towards the end of his first term. All you Conservatives have are speculation and estimates.
5) Cap n trade....wake me up when he enacts it. Until then stop the whining. Cap and trade is not in affect so why whine and cry about it?
6) NO universal health care?
Are you serious? Thats all Obama has been trying to do. What Republican President has tried to do something about healthcare since Nixon?
Hopefully it gets done soon.
Obama is so far from Bush. The fact that some Conservatives say that is evidence that you all dont know what to argue. Obama is marxist, lenin, stalin, hitler, the boggy man, the guy who stole the Lindbergh baby...now he is BUSH????
LOL let the man lead and stop the hate. Support the President!
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